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vivster on 17 November 2016
walsufnir said:
So his point is that HDR is the main reason for that? Well, the competition can do that, too.
Also I wonder if he is able to have a native 4k Gran Turismo game operating at 60Hz.

Why would it have to be 60Hz? If it's any higher than 24fps it can't compete with movies anymore.



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walsufnir on 17 November 2016
vivster said:
walsufnir said:
So his point is that HDR is the main reason for that? Well, the competition can do that, too.
Also I wonder if he is able to have a native 4k Gran Turismo game operating at 60Hz.

Why would it have to be 60Hz? If it's any higher than 24fps it can't compete with movies anymore.

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KBG29 on 17 November 2016

Can't wait to see Gran Turismo Sport on my PS4 Pro and Z9D. With the compression of 4K video, even in UHD BR, the image quality for GTS will easily surpass anything we have seen in video form. Kaz is not the only one to say this either. Many developers across the industry have been talking about the great honor it is to be the first ones working on, and taking full advantage of the new display tech. Games are surpassing Movies in every aspect, and the gap will only grow going forward.



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DonFerrari on 17 November 2016

I do preffer his games instead of several movies



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DonFerrari on 17 November 2016
JohnTravolta said:
kljesta64 said:
he also said gran turismo on ps3 will look better than in real life

I remember that quote. He was referring to that in games you can make the best ideal conditions possible while in real life most of the time it's hard to capture the best conditions and moments. 

I think he's trying to say something similar here but he would need he to expand on what he means. Kaz is the type of guy, like Kojima, that has a philosophical view on everything.

Considering the flare you get in real life, sun burning your eyes, etc. For racing it's prettier and more confortable to race in GT5 than on real life or watch on tv in several instances.



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walsufnir on 17 November 2016
KBG29 said:
Can't wait to see Gran Turismo Sport on my PS4 Pro and Z9D. With the compression of 4K video, even in UHD BR, the image quality for GTS will easily surpass anything we have seen in video form. Kaz is not the only one to say this either. Many developers across the industry have been talking about the great honor it is to be the first ones working on, and taking full advantage of the new display tech. Games are surpassing Movies in every aspect, and the gap will only grow going forward.

With the compression of 4K video, even in UHD BR, the image quality for GTS will easily surpass anything we have seen in video form.

 

Eh, what? No. The compression is of course there but you will not achieve anything that looks better than a movie on UHD from a console which has to render frames in real time.The bitrate is so high that you won't see any notable difference in comparison to uncompressed video.

Also, movies can't be surpassed, they can at best look the same.



Egelo on 20 November 2016
BraLoD said:
Egelo said:
Kaz is totally full of shit, has been for a long time. Single handily drove Gt from greatness to mediocrity.

Italic: Well, he is the creator, he single handly anything regarding it if you want to go for that route, he single handly made Sony their most successful franchise.

Bold: That's your opinion, GT6 has been the best game in whole series, in my opinion.

think what you want.

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SvennoJ on 20 November 2016
walsufnir said:
KBG29 said:
Can't wait to see Gran Turismo Sport on my PS4 Pro and Z9D. With the compression of 4K video, even in UHD BR, the image quality for GTS will easily surpass anything we have seen in video form. Kaz is not the only one to say this either. Many developers across the industry have been talking about the great honor it is to be the first ones working on, and taking full advantage of the new display tech. Games are surpassing Movies in every aspect, and the gap will only grow going forward.

With the compression of 4K video, even in UHD BR, the image quality for GTS will easily surpass anything we have seen in video form.

 

Eh, what? No. The compression is of course there but you will not achieve anything that looks better than a movie on UHD from a console which has to render frames in real time.The bitrate is so high that you won't see any notable difference in comparison to uncompressed video.

Also, movies can't be surpassed, they can at best look the same.

He's right technically.

4K video is limited to 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, meaning a color resolution of 1920x1080 or 1 color sample per 4 pixels.
4K games render in 4:4:4 RGB, 3840x2160 color samples. (or half that with checkerboarding, still twice that of 4K video)
Bitrate of 4K UHD discs is max 128 mbps (much less for video though), HDR 10 bit 4K 4:4:4 RGB at 60fps is 13.9 Gbps.

You really think you can't see the difference between 1920x1080 color samples at max 128mbps and 3840x2160 color samples at 13.9 gbps.


It's nothing new though. Blu-ray only has 960x540 color samples per frame at max 48 mbps for video. Only games have utilized 1080p screens to their full potential.



GarlandSteve74 on 20 November 2016

There hasn't been a great GT game since GT4 launched in 2005.

Not to mention the GPU of the PS4 can be had for $150 and the processor, well... I don't even need to talk about that.

If they release GTS at 4K/60 for the Pro, it's going to look like a high resolution PS3 game.

At least give us Pro owners the option for a 1080/60 mode with improved visuals.



SvennoJ on 20 November 2016
GarlandSteve74 said:

There hasn't been a great GT game since GT4 launched in 2005.

Not to mention the GPU of the PS4 can be had for $150 and the processor, well... I don't even need to talk about that.

If they release GTS at 4K/60 for the Pro, it's going to look like a high resolution PS3 game.

At least give us Pro owners the option for a 1080/60 mode with improved visuals.

I'll take a 1080p/120 mode with ps3 visuals for PSVR :)