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deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:

Seriously, people raving about Stella literally only have these info to go by:

"Stella was a member of the wealthy Fleuret family and resided in the land of Tenebrae. She was shown meeting Noctis at an aristocratic meeting, and it was said the two would share a connection. After a near-death experience early in her life, similar to Noctis, Stella could see the light from the Kingdom of the Dead, which granted her special powers. Although the two did not wish to fight each other, they were forced to do battle as a result of unknown circumstances. Magazine articles drew similarities between her situation and that of Celes Chere from Final Fantasy VI.

There was no new information on Stella since the game was rebranded Final Fantasy XV. 

According to staff comments Stella would have been an integral part of the story of Final Fantasy Versus XIII and would have had a strong link to the Fabula Nova Crystallis mythos, though she ultimately had little screentime.[3] Stella would have first met Noctis at the signing ceremony between Lucis and Niflheim, where a great deal of their connection would have been revealed.[4]

[And here's the interesting part:]

She was shown to reluctantly fight Noctis in a trailer, but it has been said the first trailers were conceptual and some elements, like the opposition of Stella and Noctis in the streets Insomnia, were no longer in Final Fantasy Versus XIII as of 2011.[3] Her relationship with Noctis was to have been platonic rather than romantic.[5] Rescuing her from danger, and learning of her role in the greater scheme of things would have been the central narrative arc of Final Fantasy Versus XIII."

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Stella_Nox_Fleuret


To me, this infatuation with a character they know so little about comes off as obssessive and misguided.

 

Hynad, and Lurkerj, I find both of you obsession about other people's "obsession" to be quite disturbing.

Lurkerj, you need to stop with these ridiculous theories about "Without Tabata, we wouldn't have got FF15" Look, I cannot comment on speculations so just quit.. Here is something both of you might find offensive though, even though it shouldn't; The concept of FFvXIII, and Stella looks a lot better than Tabata's FFXV/Luna, it's what got me and possibily many others interested in the game.

 Hey look, you're free to have your opinions alright, but don't make a mockery, or tell others not to like what you don't like.. I mean c'mon, all I said was "never forget about Stella", and both of you, and the chocobo dude BasilZero, got a rack attack.

What a weak response.

You are not the only one who commented this way about Stella. You are not even the one who was quoted about it to begin with. So who's got a "rack attack"? 

You obvioulsy haven't read anything of what I brought up. If you had, you would know this: the first trailers were conceptual and some elements, like the opposition of Stella and Noctis in the streets of Insomnia, were no longer in Final Fantasy Versus XIII as of 2011.[3] Her relationship with Noctis was to have been platonic rather than romantic.[5] Rescuing her from danger, and learning of her role in the greater scheme of things would have been the central narrative arc of Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

Indeed, the changes to Stella and other concepts you so like, were made before Tabata was brought to lead the project. 

The more you know, right?




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Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Hynad, and Lurkerj, I find both of you obsession about other people's "obsession" to be quite disturbing.

Lurkerj, you need to stop with these ridiculous theories about "Without Tabata, we wouldn't have got FF15" Look, I cannot comment on speculations so just quit.. Here is something both of you might find offensive though, even though it shouldn't; The concept of FFvXIII, and Stella looks a lot better than Tabata's FFXV/Luna, it's what got me and possibily many others interested in the game.

 Hey look, you're free to have your opinions alright, but don't make a mockery, or tell others not to like what you don't like.. I mean c'mon, all I said was "never forget about Stella", and both of you, and the chocobo dude BasilZero, got a rack attack.

What a weak response.

You are not the only one who commented this way about Stella. You are not even the one who was quoted about it to begin with. So who's got a "rack attack"? 

You obvioulsy haven't read anything of what I brought up. If you had, you would know this: the first trailers were conceptual and some elements, like the opposition of Stella and Noctis in the streets of Insomnia, were no longer in Final Fantasy Versus XIII as of 2011.[3] Her relationship with Noctis was to have been platonic rather than romantic.[5] Rescuing her from danger, and learning of her role in the greater scheme of things would have been the central narrative arc of Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

Indeed, the changes to Stella and other concepts you so like, were made before Tabata was brought to lead the project. 

The more you know, right?


 

Did I hurt your feelings or something? I responded to you because the guy you quoted responded to me, and because we share the same views. So yeah, your rack attack is confirmed based on that, end of discussion there. Secondly. I never said anything about Nomura, or Tabata, so I don't know where you get this idea about we're saying it's Tabata's fault this and that changed etc, nobody even made such a claim.

I know all about the background of Stella and such so I don't need a history lesson. The real question is; Why are you so pissed off that we like Stella more than Luna?



deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:

What a weak response.

You are not the only one who commented this way about Stella. You are not even the one who was quoted about it to begin with. So who's got a "rack attack"? 

You obvioulsy haven't read anything of what I brought up. If you had, you would know this: the first trailers were conceptual and some elements, like the opposition of Stella and Noctis in the streets of Insomnia, were no longer in Final Fantasy Versus XIII as of 2011.[3] Her relationship with Noctis was to have been platonic rather than romantic.[5] Rescuing her from danger, and learning of her role in the greater scheme of things would have been the central narrative arc of Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

Indeed, the changes to Stella and other concepts you so like, were made before Tabata was brought to lead the project. 

The more you know, right?


 

Did I hurt your feelings or something? I responded to you because the guy you quoted responded to me, and we share the same views about Stella. So yeah, your rack attack is confirmed based on that, end of discussion there.

Secondly. I never said anything about Nomura, or Tabata, so I don't know where you get this idea about we're saying it's Tabata's fault this changed etc, nobody even made such a claim. I know all about the background of Stella and such so I don't need a history lesson. Are you that pissed off we like Stella more than Luna?

LOL. I didn't reply emotionally the way you have so far. I stated my opinion that the way some people like you still stuck with what they think they knew about Stella, the way people like you blow out of proportion what her role was to be in the original concept, etc... comes off as obsessive and misguided. No rack attack there. xD

And here, let me quote you: "Stella looks a lot better than Tabata's FFXV/Luna, it's what got me and possibily many others interested in the game".

Also, I am not pissed in the slightest. I don't need to be pissed to think people are unreasonable, obsessive or whatever else. ^_-

The only one who presents himself as pissed is you,



deskpro2k3 said:

Hynad, and Lurkerj, I find both of you obsession about other people's "obsession" to be quite disturbing.

Lurkerj, you need to stop with these ridiculous theories about "Without Tabata, we wouldn't have got FF15" Look, I cannot comment on speculations so just quit.. Here is something both of you might find offensive though, even though it shouldn't; The concept of FFvXIII, and Stella looks a lot better than Tabata's FFXV/Luna, it's what got me and possibily many others interested in the game.

 Hey look, you're free to have your opinions alright, but don't make a mockery, or tell others not to like what you don't like.. I mean c'mon, all I said was "never forget about Stella", and both of you, and the chocobo dude BasilZero, got a rack attack.

Well, a lot of FF15 threads turn to "I miss Stella/I miss Versus", and not just on vgc. So my firstworldproblem-lash wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I don't get people getting hyped up by trailers and not knowing enough about any game, that's all. I am also surprised by how little we know about Stella, but then again, little we knew about Versus too, and what we knew is probably not in the game anymore



Hynad said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

Did I hurt your feelings or something? I responded to you because the guy you quoted responded to me, and we share the same views about Stella. So yeah, your rack attack is confirmed based on that, end of discussion there.

Secondly. I never said anything about Nomura, or Tabata, so I don't know where you get this idea about we're saying it's Tabata's fault this changed etc, nobody even made such a claim. I know all about the background of Stella and such so I don't need a history lesson. Are you that pissed off we like Stella more than Luna?

LOL. I didn't reply emotionally the way you have so far. I stated my opinion that the way sopme people like you still stuck with what they think they knew about Stella, the way people like you blow out of proportion what her role was to be in the original concept, etc... comes off as obsessive and misguided. No rack attack there. LOL

And yeah, let me quote you: Stella looks a lot better than Tabata's FFXV/Luna, it's what got me and possibily many others interested in the game.

Also, I am not pissed in the slightest. I don't need to be pissed to find something ridiculous. xD

 

shikamaru317 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

you guys just have to go back and bring up those feels, those emotional memories..

Never forget Stella.

Stella was just so cool. Luna seems very unimpressive by comparison. I still feel like it's BS that Stella couldn't be integrated into the story like Tabata claims. It was pretty clear that she was going to be torn between her feelings for Noctis and her countries' loyalty to Niflheim, there's no reason why that couldn't have fit into the final story for FFXV. 

 

Strawman tactics is not going to work on me. If you want to quote something, then this is what you should be quoting (above). My second statement comes after because I need to give reasons for it.. Can't just say you like something just because..

I think your exaggeration of this none issue is quite silly, and it shows. The only point you have here is that you just don't like our opinions, and I'm just pointing out your obsession about injecting yourself onto other people's likes and dislikes is disturbing. Disturbing enough that you have to derail, make a mockery, and the need to downplay.

Nobody here is misguided but you. Nobody is blaming Tabata for anything. So, why so serious?



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deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:

LOL. I didn't reply emotionally the way you have so far. I stated my opinion that the way sopme people like you still stuck with what they think they knew about Stella, the way people like you blow out of proportion what her role was to be in the original concept, etc... comes off as obsessive and misguided. No rack attack there. LOL

And yeah, let me quote you: Stella looks a lot better than Tabata's FFXV/Luna, it's what got me and possibily many others interested in the game.

Also, I am not pissed in the slightest. I don't need to be pissed to find something ridiculous. xD

 

shikamaru317 said:

Stella was just so cool. Luna seems very unimpressive by comparison. I still feel like it's BS that Stella couldn't be integrated into the story like Tabata claims. It was pretty clear that she was going to be torn between her feelings for Noctis and her countries' loyalty to Niflheim, there's no reason why that couldn't have fit into the final story for FFXV. 

 

Strawman tactics is not going to work on me. If you want to quote something, then this is what you should be quoting (above). My second statement comes after because I need to give reasons for it.. Can't just say you like something just because..

I think your exaggeration of this none issue is quite silly, and it shows. The only point you have here is that you just don't like our opinions, and I'm just pointing out your obsession about injecting yourself onto other people's likes and dislikes is disturbing. Disturbing enough that you have to derail, make a mockery, and the need to downplay.

Nobody here is misguided but you. Nobody is blaming Tabata for anything, so again. Why so serious?

Whatever helps you sleep at night.  xD

You should read the definition of obsession. But I understand why you throw it at me. It was thrown at you, so someone like you, the only thing you can do is try to send it back at the other, instead of forging an argument all by yourself. Hence why I said, and reiterate, how weak your response has been so far, weak, and emotional. 

But hey, again, whatever helps you sleep at night. My stance about Stella and the people who keep bringing her up isn't going to change. So I suggest that unless you have anything substantial to say about Stella and the changes whe went through, you let all this rest. In the end, it's not like you know a whole lot more about the character replacing her, Luna. So your opinion still won't have much weight. In both case, what you have to say about it will come from incomplete knowledge. 




LurkerJ said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Hynad, and Lurkerj, I find both of you obsession about other people's "obsession" to be quite disturbing.

Lurkerj, you need to stop with these ridiculous theories about "Without Tabata, we wouldn't have got FF15" Look, I cannot comment on speculations so just quit.. Here is something both of you might find offensive though, even though it shouldn't; The concept of FFvXIII, and Stella looks a lot better than Tabata's FFXV/Luna, it's what got me and possibily many others interested in the game.

 Hey look, you're free to have your opinions alright, but don't make a mockery, or tell others not to like what you don't like.. I mean c'mon, all I said was "never forget about Stella", and both of you, and the chocobo dude BasilZero, got a rack attack.

Well, a lot of FF15 threads turn to "I miss Stella/I miss Versus", and not just on vgc. So my firstworldproblem-lash wasn't directed at anyone in particular. I don't get people getting hyped up by trailers and not knowing enough about any game, that's all. I am also surprised by how little we know about Stella, but then again, little we knew about Versus too, and what we knew is probably not in the game anymore

 

Well this didn't seem like one of those threads. From what I know about Stella, I like, and whenever someone brings up the 10 years in development, I tend to remember those trailers.



The pacing seems pretty bad but ill pick it up regardless.



Hynad said:
 

LOL. I didn't reply emotionally the way you have so far. I stated my opinion that the way some people like you still stuck with what they think they knew about Stella, the way people like you blow out of proportion what her role was to be in the original concept, etc... comes off as obsessive and misguided. No rack attack there. xD

 

Hynad said:
 

Whatever helps you sleep at night.  xD

You should read the definition of obsession. But I understand why you throw it at me. It was thrown at you, so someone like you, the only thing you can do is try to send it back at the other, instead of forging an argument all by yourself. Hence why I said, and reiterate, how weak your response has been so far, weak, and emotional. 

But hey, again, whatever helps you sleep at night. My stance about Stella and the people who keep bringing her up isn't going to change. So I suggest that unless you have anything substantial to say about Stella and the changes whe went through, you let all this rest. In the end, it's not like you know a whole lot more about the character replacing her, Luna. So your opinion still won't have much weight. In both case, what you have to say about it will come from incomplete knowledge. 

 

It seems like you have an obsession with people like me.

You have your stance I have mine fair, but don't tell others not what to like. And; so far this isn't one of those threads that claim Tabata is a demon for killing off Stella. What we remember of Stella from 10 years ago was enough for people like me to remember her by. Never forget.



deskpro2k3 said:
Hynad said:

LOL. I didn't reply emotionally the way you have so far. I stated my opinion that the way some people like you still stuck with what they think they knew about Stella, the way people like you blow out of proportion what her role was to be in the original concept, etc... comes off as obsessive and misguided. No rack attack there. xD

 

Hynad said:

Whatever helps you sleep at night.  xD

You should read the definition of obsession. But I understand why you throw it at me. It was thrown at you, so someone like you, the only thing you can do is try to send it back at the other, instead of forging an argument all by yourself. Hence why I said, and reiterate, how weak your response has been so far, weak, and emotional. 

But hey, again, whatever helps you sleep at night. My stance about Stella and the people who keep bringing her up isn't going to change. So I suggest that unless you have anything substantial to say about Stella and the changes whe went through, you let all this rest. In the end, it's not like you know a whole lot more about the character replacing her, Luna. So your opinion still won't have much weight. In both case, what you have to say about it will come from incomplete knowledge. 

 

It seems like you have an obsession with people like me.

You have your stance I have mine fair, but don't tell others not what to like. And; so far this isn't one of those threads that claim Tabata is a demon for killing off Stella. What we remember of Stella from 10 years ago was enough for people like me to remember her by. Never forget.

So you have nothing substantial to contribute about all this.

 

Thanks for clearing that up.