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Hear me out, what if darwin and linkz are scum, and darwin hadn't checked in to the quicktopic yet, and linkz was prompting him to do so.



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Linkzmax said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I didn't know it existed, why? It's some sort of automatic discussion board?

I was trying to trap you into basically confirming you're mafia. Either you don't know which makes you innocent or you know enough to pretend you don't, so kudos. It's used by mafia(and some other factions, or dead players to "continue" playing along) to discuss their strategies in secret.

How do you feel about Mr.P and Xander?



 

theprof00 said:
Anyone else notice the flavor of baalz death?
His hook around his neck
And a bullet in his skull.

Did baalz actually kill himself?
And get killed by someone?

I wonder if we have a redirector

It would be nice if we could verify whether or not this

Stefl1504 said:
miz1q2w3e said:

Simple: https://epicmafia.com/role/128

Detailed: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vigilante

well, in regards to simple:

  • If visiting the same person as mafia, the Vigilante dies.
  • If shot by the mafia, Vigilante fails to kill.

never heard of that before, so always consider roles to be at mod discretion

Is true. Particularly the first one. 



theprof00 said:
Hear me out, what if darwin and linkz are scum, and darwin hadn't checked in to the quicktopic yet, and linkz was prompting him to do so.

That would make no sense. This is all the "info" I got about Quicktopic from this thread:

Said by Linkz.

"I was trying to trap you into basically confirming you're mafia. Either you don't know which makes you innocent or you know enough to pretend you don't, so kudos. It's used by mafia(and some other factions, or dead players to "continue" playing along) to discuss their strategies in secret."

Said by Stefl.

"Well, to answer linkz > he didn't know it existed, it is an automatic discussion board - to me that at least implies that he looked it up - and it kinda looked like feigning ignorance. I would've expected him to say something by the lines of a clear no if he trully was town. I didn't like that you baited him like that, since a careless answer by a noob towny might just as well fuck him up. He also didn't specify that he didn't know it up to this point... at best it is a slip, at worst it is just a careless, unclear answer."

I looked into it after they mentioned it, to see what it is and how it would work on the game. And if this instruction manual and this one is anything to go by, I would have needed to have the quicktopic link from the beginning, meaning that I would have known what the quicktopic website is from the beginning. I'm going to assume the mafia people talk frequently through there to coordinate their attacks, and if Linkz or me were mafia, why would he try to make me look that through the mafia thread itself, instead of through a private VGC message, or just waited until I looked the thread myself? If you have played this game here before you should have known that. Maybe you're trying to make me look suspicious again?

I have no idea why you think I'm scum, Prof, but the fact you're really pushing for my lynching almost from the beginning is making me very suspicious of your real intentions. Is it because I try to play safe?



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axumblade said:
theprof00 said:
Anyone else notice the flavor of baalz death?
His hook around his neck
And a bullet in his skull.

Did baalz actually kill himself?
And get killed by someone?

I wonder if we have a redirector

We *had* a bus driver. Would there actually be both in the same game though? 

we had a TOWN busdriver

we could very well have a mafia redirector.

I know it sounds crazy to have so many "confusion" roles, but I've seen games like this before. Hell, I've been in 16 person games with 5 kills night one. I've even created games with a busdriver and a redirector.

But, I do think that the flavor of "his hook around his neck", is interesting.



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Darwinianevolution said:
theprof00 said:
Hear me out, what if darwin and linkz are scum, and darwin hadn't checked in to the quicktopic yet, and linkz was prompting him to do so.

That would make no sense. This is all the "info" I got about Quicktopic from this thread:

Said by Linkz.

"I was trying to trap you into basically confirming you're mafia. Either you don't know which makes you innocent or you know enough to pretend you don't, so kudos. It's used by mafia(and some other factions, or dead players to "continue" playing along) to discuss their strategies in secret."

Said by Stefl.

"Well, to answer linkz > he didn't know it existed, it is an automatic discussion board - to me that at least implies that he looked it up - and it kinda looked like feigning ignorance. I would've expected him to say something by the lines of a clear no if he trully was town. I didn't like that you baited him like that, since a careless answer by a noob towny might just as well fuck him up. He also didn't specify that he didn't know it up to this point... at best it is a slip, at worst it is just a careless, unclear answer."

I looked into it after they mentioned it, to see what it is and how it would work on the game. And if this instruction manual and this one is anything to go by, I would have needed to have the quicktopic link from the beginning, meaning that I would have known what the quicktopic website is from the beginning. I'm going to assume the mafia people talk frequently through there to coordinate their attacks, and if Linkz or me were mafia, why would he try to make me look that through the mafia thread itself, instead of through a private VGC message, or just waited until I looked the thread myself? If you have played this game here before you should have known that. Maybe you're trying to make me look suspicious again?

I have no idea why you think I'm scum, Prof, but the fact you're really pushing for my lynching almost from the beginning is making me very suspicious of your real intentions. Is it because I try to play safe?

Your only "factual" defense is that you didn't know. Nothing you said proves me wrong. It could very well be that you didn't respond to your pms, didn't check the quicktopic, and just felt like it wasn't important for you to check. Or maybe you did check at first and then thought nothing of it, like it wasn't very important. There have been games where this has happened before. It's not illogical to believe that a noob player might overlook something important and have to be prompted.

Well, I think you're scum because you don't contribute and you play the noob card far too much.



axumblade said:
I have a couple of generic questions.

First question is to Mr. P, do you know if your role will tell you when someone has targeted you for the BP power?

Second, if Baal were to have sent out a shot, would it have gone through? Or would he have simply died first?

My theory is that mafia figured out he was vig and redirected him onto himself. I think baal had enough suspicion of people to have made a good choice night one, additionally, it's a risky role to waste. I believe there is a meta-rule that vig should always shoot night one.

Anyway, back to the subject, it's possible he targeted someone and was redirected onto himself. Also, we don't know what rules trucks has in place. In my experience, we've always done it where all actions happen at once. This is actually the first time I've ever seen the subset rules that miz listed.



Also, I don't like darwin's question toward me about my intentions. Why would you be suspicious of someone who is trying to lynch scum? I believe that is known in mafia as the axe defense or something like that. Attacking an attacker by calling them scum is generally a scum thing.
Mr.P did it last game when I outed him on day 1.



axumblade said:
theprof00 said:

My theory is that mafia figured out he was vig and redirected him onto himself. I think baal had enough suspicion of people to have made a good choice night one, additionally, it's a risky role to waste. I believe there is a meta-rule that vig should always shoot night one.

Anyway, back to the subject, it's possible he targeted someone and was redirected onto himself. Also, we don't know what rules trucks has in place. In my experience, we've always done it where all actions happen at once. This is actually the first time I've ever seen the subset rules that miz listed.

That sounds feasible but if the mafia is capable of talking to each other, why would they waste their other kill on him if they were redirecting him to shoot himself?  

Here's what Prof is claiming. 

Baal targets someone. 
Mafia redirects him to himself
prof steals power from Mr P
Mafia targets prof



theprof00 said:
axumblade said:

We *had* a bus driver. Would there actually be both in the same game though? 

we had a TOWN busdriver

we could very well have a mafia redirector.

I know it sounds crazy to have so many "confusion" roles, but I've seen games like this before. Hell, I've been in 16 person games with 5 kills night one. I've even created games with a busdriver and a redirector.

But, I do think that the flavor of "his hook around his neck", is interesting.

I thought you weren't going to meta hunt? 



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