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Pretty defensive there, aren't ya.

As far as the survivor talk, trying to figure out who you might or might not be is entirely important to me at least. I don't care about the numbers either, because it's too much too account for this early. There are so many options it's pointless. I get why you brought it up, as you said you did it to spark conversation, and that's a believable excuse, but you also started defending yourself very quickly, and even now you're escalating things because of a mistake that you made.

And you're saying I'm trying to mislynch you. You're really going to try and fault me for being thorough? How am I supposed to know who or what you are? I'd say you're feeling some pressure, which contradicts your earlier "should I say gg now or later" blase carefree attitude.



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theprof00 said:
Formatting is weird for some reason. Here it is easier to read:

Pretty defensive there, aren't ya.

As far as the survivor talk, trying to figure out who you might or might not be is entirely important to me at least. I don't care about the numbers either, because it's too much too account for this early. There are so many options it's pointless. I get why you brought it up, as you said you did it to spark conversation, and that's a believable excuse, but you also started defending yourself very quickly, and even now you're escalating things because of a mistake that you made.

And you're saying I'm trying to mislynch you. You're really going to try and fault me for being thorough? How am I supposed to know who or what you are? I'd say you're feeling some pressure, which contradicts your earlier "should I say gg now or later" blase carefree attitude.

Ofc I am not carefree about a potential mislynch, specially since I am hyped to actually play for once, and no, I am not faulting you for being thorough, I try to question your motivation on being so thorough, you basically said it is 90% that I am not town. With that high of a likelyness I would just push with "you gotta lynch him, I am sure he isn't good for us", specially on day 1. But basically putting me at fifty-fifty for non-harmful puts that in a different perspective. As I said, gives me the feeling of trying to set up at least a slight justification for when you are wrong. It is the double measuring standard for critizising for me for playing cautious, when I feel the same coming from you. Just like there have been 3 honestly statements and only mine gets pointed out.

Finally I feel that a bandwagon can form fast once people start to trickle in again and I don't want my opinons on things to be unheard before that.



theprof00 said:
Ok, so his whole rhetoric was that stefl wanted to start conversation by having a no lynch vs lynch debate. His behavior does indicate an attempt to get people to talk. However, his initial idea was not very well thought out as he took the opposite stance from what his math should've told him, and he has shown a lot of cautiousness/vulnerability. Additionally, I took note of the inclusion of a "9-1-3" third party setup, but using the same math as "10-3."
I also don't like that he used the word, "honestly", in defense of one of his points. That word usually stands out to me that a lie is coming.

I'm not extremely confident, but I'd say stefl has a good chance of being mafia, or a survivor maybe, unlikely to be a power role (though he concludes there are potentially mediocre power roles).
I'll say 50% mafia, 40% survivor, 10% mediocre town power

Also noted that the only one who actually looked at the numbers he provided was linkz.

I was hoping someone would question why the 9-1-3 setup has the same math as 10-3. Without knowing the full setup, SK(Serial Killer, for the newbs) could be just as likely as Survivor from a town perspective. Even mafia would be hard pressed to rule out SK; however, could probably guess at the inclusion of one should the team have a BP.(Bulletproof, again for the newbs) The only one that can likely rule out a second kill each night is actually a Survivor themself. So I'd disagree with your percentages.

Also Stefl said he assumes mediocre power, which I would take to mean it's not mostly vanilla nor is it a nearly all power role setup.



Stefl1504 said:

Ofc I am not carefree about a potential mislynch, specially since I am hyped to actually play for once, and no, I am not faulting you for being thorough, I try to question your motivation on being so thorough, you basically said it is 90% that I am not town. With that high of a likelyness I would just push with "you gotta lynch him, I am sure he isn't good for us", specially on day 1. But basically putting me at fifty-fifty for non-harmful puts that in a different perspective. As I said, gives me the feeling of trying to set up at least a slight justification for when you are wrong. It is the double measuring standard for critizising for me for playing cautious, when I feel the same coming from you. Just like there have been 3 honestly statements and only mine gets pointed out.

Finally I feel that a bandwagon can form fast once people start to trickle in again and I don't want my opinons on things to be unheard before that.

You do not view Survivor as harmful to town? Care to confirm or deny the role while you're at it?



Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:

Ofc I am not carefree about a potential mislynch, specially since I am hyped to actually play for once, and no, I am not faulting you for being thorough, I try to question your motivation on being so thorough, you basically said it is 90% that I am not town. With that high of a likelyness I would just push with "you gotta lynch him, I am sure he isn't good for us", specially on day 1. But basically putting me at fifty-fifty for non-harmful puts that in a different perspective. As I said, gives me the feeling of trying to set up at least a slight justification for when you are wrong. It is the double measuring standard for critizising for me for playing cautious, when I feel the same coming from you. Just like there have been 3 honestly statements and only mine gets pointed out.

Finally I feel that a bandwagon can form fast once people start to trickle in again and I don't want my opinons on things to be unheard before that.

You do not view Survivor as harmful to town? Care to confirm or deny the role while you're at it?

Survivor can be harmful, but its outright nature is not - he will side with town on higher players pools and with scum on lower player pools (usually). I am not a survivor. My role is not powerful enough for me to outright assume that there is batshit powers out there (though if there are such powers out there, I might be on a pretty mediocre spectrum), but also not so regular that I have to assume there is much vanilla out there.



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Stefl1504 said:
Linkzmax said:

You do not view Survivor as harmful to town? Care to confirm or deny the role while you're at it?

Survivor can be harmful, but its outright nature is not - he will side with town on higher players pools and with scum on lower player pools (usually). I am not a survivor. My role is not powerful enough for me to outright assume that there is batshit powers out there (though if there are such powers out there, I might be on a pretty mediocre spectrum), but also not so regular that I have to assume there is much vanilla out there.

Let me correct that - my role is powerful, but it is a deviation of the stronger usual version.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Ok, so his whole rhetoric was that stefl wanted to start conversation by having a no lynch vs lynch debate. His behavior does indicate an attempt to get people to talk. However, his initial idea was not very well thought out as he took the opposite stance from what his math should've told him, and he has shown a lot of cautiousness/vulnerability. Additionally, I took note of the inclusion of a "9-1-3" third party setup, but using the same math as "10-3."
I also don't like that he used the word, "honestly", in defense of one of his points. That word usually stands out to me that a lie is coming.

I'm not extremely confident, but I'd say stefl has a good chance of being mafia, or a survivor maybe, unlikely to be a power role (though he concludes there are potentially mediocre power roles).
I'll say 50% mafia, 40% survivor, 10% mediocre town power

Also noted that the only one who actually looked at the numbers he provided was linkz.

I was hoping someone would question why the 9-1-3 setup has the same math as 10-3. Without knowing the full setup, SK(Serial Killer, for the newbs) could be just as likely as Survivor from a town perspective. Even mafia would be hard pressed to rule out SK; however, could probably guess at the inclusion of one should the team have a BP.(Bulletproof, again for the newbs) The only one that can likely rule out a second kill each night is actually a Survivor themself. So I'd disagree with your percentages.

Also Stefl said he assumes mediocre power, which I would take to mean it's not mostly vanilla nor is it a nearly all power role setup.

actually thats a good point about the BP. But I had taken the entirety of the idea as being lax, which would hint at active lurking. But that could also be a survivor thing.
mediocre power would also suggest survivor, maybe with a commuter ability



I was only curious about the specific role of Survivor. Not sure how I feel about softclaiming some kind of power already. Anyway, I view Survivor as anti-town as it's easier to win with scum at endgame and being too pro-town gets them shot.



oops, posted that after a game of dota and saw some new talk about it.
I'm fairly ok with it.



actually, the commuter ability kinda fits with his description