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Conina said:

Or they plan no new hardware for the next 2 decades and stick with the Switch ;)

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This fits the topic I made 10 days ago perfectly..

For the ones that dont understand it.. point is.. soon Nintendo can sell games to people that not even own a console (only a Nvidia powered smart tv)


Nintendo and Nvidia in unprecedented partnership?
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=222217&page=1#



Miyamotoo said:
Shiken said:

We don't even know if mid gen upgrades will work, and you say 5 year can't survive?  PS4Pro is already a waste of money with some games running worse on it than the original model.  Other people like myself realize that it is a complete waste of money to buy a console at full price that plays the same games as the one I have.  If you already have a 4K TV it is still hard to justify, and those that don't would just be foolish to invest in a mid gen upgrade.

 

That said, you have no clue what can live or die in the modern age of gaming tech.  Only time will tell.

PS4 Pro isnt waste of money, they basically refreshing PS4 and give consumers more options, more affordable or more power one console. I think Nintedo will do something similar with Switch.

 

 

Nuvendil said:

A Switch Mini I definitely see coming in the future as Nintendo phases out the 3DS and starts directly targetting handheld fans with the Switch.  Wouldn't be surprised if in conjunction they start selling Joy Cons for the smaller model that have some more handheld-friendly design touches like redesigned analogue sticks.

A Switch Home I don't know about.  If the Switch base model is a big success and the eventual full bridging of the handheld and console market works well, I think they'll stick to the 5 year cycle, with the Mini models coming out on average 1.5 to 2 years in so you basically have a handheld focused upgrade every 5 years as well.

Actually Nintendo would from beginning offer Switch Pocket without dock and controller, but that would make confusion with whole Switch concept, but I definitely see them releasing Switch Pocket (smaller version of Switch for playing just on go, without dock and controller, for $100 lower price than OG Switch). I can see doing something similar for home console users, more powerful Switch that isn't portable and mobile.So basically having more different hardwares and options that or part of same platform.

That would not mean there will not be new generation of Nintendo and only Switch, but with approach like that, new generations becoming less important, and I definitely don't see making totally new platform only 5 years after Switch, more it would something similar like going from Wii/DS to WiiU/3DS, just in this case exactly same architecture (Nvidia+ARM) that will allow backward compatibility and same development method, with some new concept or idea.

Nah, every Switch will have Joy Cons and a Dock.  Removing physical inputs completely defeats the point of making a dedicated gaming device and they won't want to risk the confusion of having a Switch that doesn't ,  you know, *switch*.



 

Nuvendil said:
Miyamotoo said:

PS4 Pro isnt waste of money, they basically refreshing PS4 and give consumers more options, more affordable or more power one console. I think Nintedo will do something similar with Switch

Actually Nintendo would from beginning offer Switch Pocket without dock and controller, but that would make confusion with whole Switch concept, but I definitely see them releasing Switch Pocket (smaller version of Switch for playing just on go, without dock and controller, for $100 lower price than OG Switch). I can see doing something similar for home console users, more powerful Switch that isn't portable and mobile.So basically having more different hardwares and options that or part of same platform.

That would not mean there will not be new generation of Nintendo and only Switch, but with approach like that, new generations becoming less important, and I definitely don't see making totally new platform only 5 years after Switch, more it would something similar like going from Wii/DS to WiiU/3DS, just in this case exactly same architecture (Nvidia+ARM) that will allow backward compatibility and same development method, with some new concept or idea.

Nah, every Switch will have Joy Cons and a Dock.  Removing physical inputs completely defeats the point of making a dedicated gaming device and they won't want to risk the confusion of having a Switch that doesn't ,  you know, *switch*.

I'm sure he was referring to it having built in buttons like a tradition handheld. The dock will 99% be removed in a distant SKU focused on portability. The system will still be dockable but it won't come with a dock. This won't confuse anyone who is actively looking for a Switch "pocket" just as the 2DS doesn't confuse anyone looking for a 3D screen. Nintendo's entire history spits in the face of them being afraid to offer distinct SKU's or taking necessary measures to offer a budget system option.

 

They removed WiFi from the Wii, they removed 3D from the 3DS, in some regions they actually sold N3DS without a charging cable and they would have removed the gamepad from the Wii U if it wasn't game breaking for 50% of their titles.



mjk45 said:
onionberry said:

Obviously not the same Nvidia since now the switch is powered by nvidia unlike the ps3 back then. Companies change a lot, that's why the ps3 was a pain in the ass for developers and now the ps4 is easy for developers. What I mean with "Nvidia doesn't play around with their business" is that Jen Hsun chooses their partners carefully cause all they want is profit, they are greedy but their chips are the best on the mainstream market. They don't care about Nintendo sentimentally, they want profit.

The PS3's GPU was from Nvidia , hence why Jen Hsun played the same tune about their Sony partnership back then.

Nvidia probably is truly excited about the deal with Nintendo.  Not because they care about Nintendo, but because they care about making money, growing their business, and making cool tech. They care about Nintendo exactly as far as their interests are aligned.  In the case of the Switch, there's a lot of alignment.   



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Even if the Switch flops if Nintendo continues to make smaller portable devices mainly for the japanese market they can still create significant revenue for Nvidia.

Switch is high risk and to be honest so is Nvidia. They have screwed over Microsoft and Sony in the past. They are a very aggressive company who always seeks maximum royalties on their hardware. The original xbox may have continued longer if it wasn't for the fact Nvidia would not reduce their required royalties on the gpu.

Anyway consumers will dictate how long this relationship lasts more than Nintendo or Nvidia obviously.

What if Sony announces a x86 handheld based on xen architecture which will run base level ps4 ports at a slightly lower resolution on the go in March for release in September. I think that would absolutely destroy Switch launch numbers. There could be spoiler tactics. Maybe a Vita price cut or a new model that massively increases battery life and features wireless tv out dongle. A minor low cost technical revision for a console that already has wide support and may cause others who like the Switch format but would prefer the cheaper price and large software library of Vita.



bonzobanana said:
Even if the Switch flops if Nintendo continues to make smaller portable devices mainly for the japanese market they can still create significant revenue for Nvidia.

Switch is high risk and to be honest so is Nvidia. They have screwed over Microsoft and Sony in the past. They are a very aggressive company who always seeks maximum royalties on their hardware. The original xbox may have continued longer if it wasn't for the fact Nvidia would not reduce their required royalties on the gpu.

Anyway consumers will dictate how long this relationship lasts more than Nintendo or Nvidia obviously.

What if Sony announces a x86 handheld based on xen architecture which will run base level ps4 ports at a slightly lower resolution on the go in March for release in September. I think that would absolutely destroy Switch launch numbers. There could be spoiler tactics. Maybe a Vita price cut or a new model that massively increases battery life and features wireless tv out dongle. A minor low cost technical revision for a console that already has wide support and may cause others who like the Switch format but would prefer the cheaper price and large software library of Vita.

Considering Sony and Microsoft are in the bussines of upgradable home consoles, and not hybrid ones, I don't think they will try to compete with the Switch by making a PS4Portable yet. If the Switch is successful, we might see one of those at the end of the Switch's second year. But now Sony is pushing the Pro too much to care for handhelds again.



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Nuvendil said:
Miyamotoo said:

PS4 Pro isnt waste of money, they basically refreshing PS4 and give consumers more options, more affordable or more power one console. I think Nintedo will do something similar with Switch.

 

 

Actually Nintendo would from beginning offer Switch Pocket without dock and controller, but that would make confusion with whole Switch concept, but I definitely see them releasing Switch Pocket (smaller version of Switch for playing just on go, without dock and controller, for $100 lower price than OG Switch). I can see doing something similar for home console users, more powerful Switch that isn't portable and mobile.So basically having more different hardwares and options that or part of same platform.

That would not mean there will not be new generation of Nintendo and only Switch, but with approach like that, new generations becoming less important, and I definitely don't see making totally new platform only 5 years after Switch, more it would something similar like going from Wii/DS to WiiU/3DS, just in this case exactly same architecture (Nvidia+ARM) that will allow backward compatibility and same development method, with some new concept or idea.

Nah, every Switch will have Joy Cons and a Dock.  Removing physical inputs completely defeats the point of making a dedicated gaming device and they won't want to risk the confusion of having a Switch that doesn't ,  you know, *switch*.

Of Course it will have physical buttons, be like built in Joy Cons and without separate controller (Joy Green with Joy cons) and without dock. Definatly would be confusing if they realased something like that with real Swith, but around in 3 years after Switch relaese and when marke are very aware of real Swithc, there will not be confusing if they release Switch Pocket that would be just for handheld gaming, that is smaller, without separate controller and dock, and its around $100 cheaper than full Switch package.

Also I think Emily or Laura wrote that Nintendo consider to release separate SKU with only handheld on launch, but they didn't because that would make confusion at launch.

Like teigaga wrote, they removed 3D from 3DS.



Darwinianevolution said:
bonzobanana said:
Even if the Switch flops if Nintendo continues to make smaller portable devices mainly for the japanese market they can still create significant revenue for Nvidia.

Switch is high risk and to be honest so is Nvidia. They have screwed over Microsoft and Sony in the past. They are a very aggressive company who always seeks maximum royalties on their hardware. The original xbox may have continued longer if it wasn't for the fact Nvidia would not reduce their required royalties on the gpu.

Anyway consumers will dictate how long this relationship lasts more than Nintendo or Nvidia obviously.

What if Sony announces a x86 handheld based on xen architecture which will run base level ps4 ports at a slightly lower resolution on the go in March for release in September. I think that would absolutely destroy Switch launch numbers. There could be spoiler tactics. Maybe a Vita price cut or a new model that massively increases battery life and features wireless tv out dongle. A minor low cost technical revision for a console that already has wide support and may cause others who like the Switch format but would prefer the cheaper price and large software library of Vita.

Considering Sony and Microsoft are in the bussines of upgradable home consoles, and not hybrid ones, I don't think they will try to compete with the Switch by making a PS4Portable yet. If the Switch is successful, we might see one of those at the end of the Switch's second year. But now Sony is pushing the Pro too much to care for handhelds again.

Sony ought to announce it anyway then just cancel the project later just to damage the Switch launch. 

To be honest I don't know the situation with Sony. Vita has sold ok, more than wii u but hardly staggering. A vita with a wireless tv dongle could re-invigorate sales on the back of Switch.



bonzobanana said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Considering Sony and Microsoft are in the bussines of upgradable home consoles, and not hybrid ones, I don't think they will try to compete with the Switch by making a PS4Portable yet. If the Switch is successful, we might see one of those at the end of the Switch's second year. But now Sony is pushing the Pro too much to care for handhelds again.

Sony ought to announce it anyway then just cancel the project later just to damage the Switch launch. 

To be honest I don't know the situation with Sony. Vita has sold ok, more than wii u but hardly staggering. A vita with a wireless tv dongle could re-invigorate sales on the back of Switch.

That would be so dickish...

After years in the market, I doubt the Vita can push itself as an alternative against the Switch in any effective way. The device is practically ignored in NA and with just a small userbase in Europe (at least compered to any other PS device over there). Only in Japan stands a decent success, but once the Switch comes out, it will lose its main strenght, being largely underpowered compared to the Switch. A Vita model that uses SD cards should have come long ago if it wanted to establish itself better before the Switch.



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