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Who are you voting for?

Hillary Clinton 167 27.93%
 
Donald Trump 185 30.94%
 
Gary Johnson 23 3.85%
 
Jill Stein 21 3.51%
 
Can't vote not old enough 11 1.84%
 
Can't vote out of country 191 31.94%
 
Total:598
LurkerJ said:
Zkuq said:

He could well get a second term, you know. He ought to have a pretty good chance if he doesn't do terribly, and if he does, he's just going to blame others.

As you can see from the numbers of voters above, he could've been beaten. Next time, just choose a better candidate to go against him:

"She was the Democratic candidate because it was her turn and because a Clinton victory would have moved every Democrat in Washington up a notch. Whether or not she would win was always a secondary matter, something that was taken for granted. Had winning been the party’s number one concern, several more suitable candidates were ready to go. There was Joe Biden, with his powerful plainspoken style, and there was Bernie Sanders, an inspiring and largely scandal-free figure. Each of them would probably have beaten Trump, but neither of them would really have served the interests of the party insiders.

And so Democratic leaders made Hillary their candidate even though they knew about her closeness to the banks, her fondness for war, and her unique vulnerability on the trade issue – each of which Trump exploited to the fullest. They chose Hillary even though they knew about her private email server. They chose her even though some of those who studied the Clinton Foundation suspected it was a sketchy proposition.

To try to put over such a nominee while screaming that the Republican is a rightwing monster is to court disbelief. If Trump is a fascist, as liberals often said, Democrats should have put in their strongest player to stop him, not a party hack they’d chosen because it was her turn. Choosing her indicated either that Democrats didn’t mean what they said about Trump’s riskiness, that their opportunism took precedence over the country’s well-being, or maybe both."

Good point, but it's still possible that Trump gets a second term. I'm not particularly interested in talking about the probability of it yet, because we literally don't know anything about the situation after four years, but it's certainly possible.



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chapset said:
Nymeria said:
Vote Totals for Two Major Party Candidates in Recent Elections

2000
George W. Bush - 50,456,062
Albert Gore - 50,996,582

Total - 101,452,644

2004
George W. Bush - 62,039,073
John Kerry - 59,027,478

Total - 121,066,551

2008
Barack Obama - 69,456,897
John McCain - 59,934,814

Total - 129,391,711

2012
Barack Obama - 65,446,032
Mitt Romney - 60,589,084

Total - 126,035,116

2016 (99% of votes counted)
Donald Trump - 59,218,283
Hillary Clinton - 59,405,663

Total - 118,623,946

He got less votes than Romney and McCain and she still lost hahahaha, this is what you get for rigging the premaries

A lot of Dem's didn't want to talk about this during the election but I've noticed some of them are starting to realize this is the issue and what stopped them from winning. The worst part about all of this is that none of them will do anything about the DNC and will continue to let things go the way they've been going. In another 4 years the DNC will come back and do the exact same thing to them and they'll just take it.



Nuvendil said:
MikeRox said:

Nail on head.

People are disillusioned with the system believing it's fixed. On this backdrop, the primaries are... fixed. This information hits the public domain. Is it any wonder the number of votes in this election dropped?!

That said, I am really gutted that this was not the breakthrough year for the independents. It could have easily been so different. Maybe this will be the wake up call and at the next election people might be motivated.

The problem with the 3rd parties is they just don't have a grasp on how to make use of the new means of promotion and lack the resources to contend in the conventional means.  Independents face the same issue.  Basically, the only people who can run as independents with much hope are people like Trump, Buffet, Gates, basically those with the wealth to self-fund their campaigns.  Thing is, the majority of those people have no desire whatsoever to be President :P

I do hope either a third party or independent makes a major move next election.  Having two overwhelmingly dominant parties is not healthy.

Well, it used to be that way. But with Social Media etc actually they would have a shot. They just need to get 5% to level up and unlock further funds as a legitimate party going forwards. That 5% could well be the tipping point into relevance.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

StarDoor said:
Goodnightmoon said:

But the idea that the far left domines the world is delusional

Well, they dominate the news media, entertainment, the education system, and the bureaucracy.

"Far left"

 

What do you consider as far left? Do you actually consider Hillary Clinton as "far left"?



MikeRox said:
Nuvendil said:

The problem with the 3rd parties is they just don't have a grasp on how to make use of the new means of promotion and lack the resources to contend in the conventional means.  Independents face the same issue.  Basically, the only people who can run as independents with much hope are people like Trump, Buffet, Gates, basically those with the wealth to self-fund their campaigns.  Thing is, the majority of those people have no desire whatsoever to be President :P

I do hope either a third party or independent makes a major move next election.  Having two overwhelmingly dominant parties is not healthy.

Well, it used to be that way. But with Social Media etc actually they would have a shot. They just need to get 5% to level up and unlock further funds as a legitimate party going forwards. That 5% could well be the tipping point into relevance.

That's what I meant by new means of promotion.  Clearly, indepedents and 3rd parties haven't found a good way to tap into that.



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Great blog about how SJWs helped Trump:

http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr



He's a moron. Pt.1 OF A 15 Pt series. A fucking moron.



- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."

Nuvendil said:
MikeRox said:

Well, it used to be that way. But with Social Media etc actually they would have a shot. They just need to get 5% to level up and unlock further funds as a legitimate party going forwards. That 5% could well be the tipping point into relevance.

That's what I meant by new means of promotion.  Clearly, indepedents and 3rd parties haven't found a good way to tap into that.

"Yet" (I bloomin well hope if this election is an appetiser for 2020...)



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

Volterra_90 said:
RolStoppable said:

That isn't an example of a loss despite getting the majority of the popular vote, unless another party got a bigger share of the votes. Your example sounds more like tiny minorities who didn't clear a specified percentage threshold (I think virtually all democratic countries have that, sitting anywhere between 3-5%) getting their votes wiped, so they got no seats in the parliament; resulting from that, a less than 50% share of the original votes turned into a greater than 50% share on the remaining votes for the party who received the most votes.

Maybe that wasn't a good example, true. Nevertheless, the latest elections, a party took one million votes and had two seats on the parliament, while another one with a quarter of that took 8. So that doesn't add up very well. If a party has strong support in one region (there are 17 in Spain) but has no support in the other 16, it could be better than having a somewhat strong support in all the regions. Which is not fair at all imo. 

This is because our system is madness. 350 parliament members and 50 districts. In extreme cases like in a district with low population and 3 parliament members the real vote threshold is 25%.



Lawlight said:
Great blog about how SJWs helped Trump:

http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr

Can you explain why SJWs are bad for America or the world?