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Ratio PS4/X1

>95% 55 13.25%
 
>90% 77 18.55%
 
>85% 93 22.41%
 
>80% 94 22.65%
 
>70% 67 16.14%
 
<70% 29 6.99%
 
Total:415
AsGryffynn said:
DonFerrari said:

What are you talking about man? You were saying the public already have WRPG to play and I'm waiting to see how that impact what a JRPG like FF XV would do. We have seem time and again the big step of sales on japanese games between sony and ms

I'm telling you the game plays like a WRPG. Final Fantasy XV is a WRPG in all but origin (and main cast design)... 

Swordmasterman said:

Metal Gear Solid is, maybe after Resident Evil, the most  desirable Japanese game for the Xbox's instalbase.

You seems to compare Final Fantasy and Fallout a lot. The fun of Fallout, what makes it enjoyable, is that you start the game as a random guy without a name or voice, with the freedom to do everything and a big focus on Gameplay.

In Final Fantasy you play as Noctis, an ex-prince and leader of a J-Pop band in order to solve the problems of the plot. Here the plot is the most important thing and you will only be able to explore the parts of the world that the game allows depending on what level of the story you are.

You keep comparing Fallout and Final Fantasy, but Final Fantasy's sales  can stand by its own while Fallout can't.

The only reason why Fallout 4 sold more than Fallout 3 is because Fallout was always less popular than Elder Scrolls and that Skyrim fans(the over 20-21 millions of people) had 4 years of dry and they were seeking something like Skyrim.

Fallout 4 would have sold very well by its own, but majority of its sales now are because of Skyrim. It is an exception and should not be considered as a metric. Not every game has such success in a series of the same genre.

The last game Final Fantasy released was FFXIII which sold less than the previous games. There is no reason, no previous game like Skyrim or hype for the game to be successful on the Xbox One.

By the way. Skyrim sold more on the Xbox 360 ,but ,even with marketing deal Fallout 4 sold more on the PS4.

We will see a drop where the Xbox One is unable to sell like it did with the Xbox 360. 

Really, people I know often prefer Dark Souls, though they say MGS V was great. As a whole, I'd say the demographic is shifting as MGS actually seemed to decline in popularity on the Xbox consoles (and the original Xbox apparently had more sales proportionate to the PS2)... 

Also, for the comparisons, allow me to remind you this game is an open world game by Tabata's own admission. The only difference is the insane amount of customization and The Witcher III lacked it yet the game sold rather well. As for F4, why bring Fallout 3? Fallout 3 by itself was pretty popular. The Fallout series as a whole has been popular for a while now. 

So you're telling me no game has been successful on the Xbox One? You must think I am some kind of hick. I'd rather point out actual AAA RPGs with an story haven't done horribly on the XBO compared to the PS4. The Dark Souls games usually did one third of the sales. Considering very mainstream games usually do half, I'd say it's a pretty decent line unless the game flops everywhere... 

And Skyrim had the advantage of not having to run on the PS3 without compromises. This led the game to sell Xbox bundles, promote the brand's exclusives and most importantly, it released in a console in a head to head with the PS3 unlike the current Sony console gap... 

I definitely see a skewed sales ratio, but nothing like Type 0. Probably one third or one fourth of the sales. 

Roronaa_chan said:
WW lifetime including digital
i'd go with

80% PS4
20% X1

Decent, to say the least. 

Swordmasterman said:

There isn't a game more Japanese than Persona. I wish we had a Xbox One version for sales comparison.

Dear god no! 

The main aspect for it to be JRPG is exactly the aesthetic and the storytelling, not the turnbased gameplay (they have been moving away from it since FF X) and being open world is in the game since at least FF IX (first I played).

J-rock and J-pop is rock and pop but song in Japanese, that is the only difference from them to american or european bands... but why wouldn't they make the same success than the others? Same could be said about K-pop.

Yes, it's because of thematic (language would be a no issue when we consider that Most countries doesn't have english as native language and that german bands had success even without singing in english), so I sustain that the origin of the material is still quite important when foreshadowing the success.



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AsGryffynn said:

"And why are you bringing up Skyrim, GTA5 and Fallout 4? They are not of the same genre as FFXV."

Ah, there's the old PS4 spirit! You see, if this was FFXIII, Tales of Berseria or heck, P5, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but unless the aesthetic of the main cast scares people out (and if so, the gaming fandom has collapsed in a most spectacular way), FFXV has more in common with Fallout 4 than it does with past FF titles. It's an action RPG, with an open world, very Western themes, a photorealistic ambiance and character design and non linear storyline. I might as well be describing the next Elder Scrolls game. 

I will spell it out for you... 

By anything except main cast design and the dev team behind, FINAL FANTASY XV IS NOT A JRPG! 

Or it is one, but it has as much in common with JRPGs as it does with WRPGs... Labels aside of course. 

Sorry about the late response, but here it is.

But you do know that FFXV gets more linear in the 2nd half as noted by Square Enix. Also, you need to do more than just asserting that FFXV has more in common with Fallout 4 than with past FF titles because the Proof by Assertion fallacy can be easily broken down. You merely listed a bunch of vague points without further elaborating on them, similar to how you claim that your prediction is based on data of other games, but not bother to show the actual data. Perhaps you should spend less time making baffling statements like your "PS4 spirit" moniker and form more sound points. It would also behoove you to directly address some of my other points, as well.

One fundamental problem to your argument is its implication of the notion that because one game shares certain qualities with another, it therefore shares most or all qualities. I'm not saying you were arguing that, but it definitely gave off that angle. Saying that FFXV and Fallout 4 are both action RPGs is not a solid argument because "action" is a vague term. Games can be actiony in different ways. FFXV has a more Kingdom Hearts-esque gameplay (& KH is also a JRPG) whereas Fallout 4 adopts a lot of FPS aspects. Same thing applies to "open-world" and Western themes. Again, that's vague and you never elaborated on these things.

Photorealistic ambiance and character design is where you really fell off the rails. There is definitely some photorealistic aspects to FFXV, but it also retains the Japanese aesthetic that you see in past FF games, anime, and manga. The hair and faces are a clear sign of this. The main cast gives off that J-pop boy band vibe, something that western RPGs do not offer. Non-linear storyline, I already went over that.

Overall, FFXV is a JRPG not because of the nationality of the developers, but it still utlizes aspects that JRPGs tend to use (e.g. character design, J-pop boy band tone, some linearity, etc.). And if you don't believe me, then well.... Conan O'Brien and Elijah Wood just made a recent video on FFXV. Based on their reception, FFXV is likely not a game that will appeal to the average western gamer.



AsGryffynn said:

OnyxPhoenix said:
if 5% of the copies are sold on xbox they are lucky

And this is the epitome of unrealistic and unjustified bias... No game except Type 0 has this ratio. Will you explain to us why it'd be this way for the most Western and mainstream game Square Enix develops? 

i have never in my life since the release of xb1 in 2013 heard any xbox fan to say that he's hyped for FFXV, also if Quantum Break a xb1 heavely marketed game floped, Recore floped, Rise Of The Tomb Raider also a Western mainstream Square Enix game struggled and games like Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3 sold under 1m in their first week, this shows it all, i think that FFXV will easily do 2.5m+ on ps4 week 1 and xb1 won't do more than 5% of that, FFXV fans have waited a long time to play this game, and they sure as hell won't play the most inferior 720p version with fps drops on the xb1, they waited a long time to play it and they will play the best version, and that is ps4/ps4 pro also you can look ath the VG Preorders, 

Final Fantasy XV (PS4)
Square Enix, Role-Playing
6 3,802 267,907
Final Fantasy XV (XOne)
Square Enix, Role-Playing
6 1,417 58,173


AsGryffynn said:
DonFerrari said:

What are you talking about man? You were saying the public already have WRPG to play and I'm waiting to see how that impact what a JRPG like FF XV would do. We have seem time and again the big step of sales on japanese games between sony and ms

I'm telling you the game plays like a WRPG. Final Fantasy XV is a WRPG in all but origin (and main cast design)... 


No, FFXV is a JRPG. The only thing "western" (and not even RPG-specific because there are more non-RPGs doing it than WRPGs) about is the design option to litter areas with modern chore-like pick ups. And...honestly even that isn't western, koreans were already doing it long before, it's just that the west adapted it to a more approachable design of quicker satisfaction and less grind. The combat is jrpg, the story and characters are jrpg, the music is jrpg, everything is jrpg