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Switch is Unlike the Vita & Much better

Re-Launch the Vita 31 17.22%
 
Let the Vita die already 126 70.00%
 
Vita vs Switch Holiday 2017 battle 23 12.78%
 
Total:180

in different ways



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Kresnik said:
Viktor said:

Looks like both, Sword Art Online and World of Final Fantasy sold worse on PSV according to Media Create. Surprise...

And sold better on Famitsu (well, SAO), so I guess we'll have to call this one a tie :P (especially since we haven't seen anything about legs yet, which is traditionally won by Vita).

I am coming round to the idea that Vita software is in worse shape than I thought though, so you can have that victory!

Like I said earlier, the painting is pretty much on the wall. Another very recent example.

 

First Two Days Sell-through {2016.11.03}
[PS4] [PSV] Atelier Firis: The Alchemist and the Mysterious Journey <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) - 50% like SAO and WoFF the PS4 version is selling better



Viktor said:

First Two Days Sell-through {2016.11.03}
[PS4] [PSV] Atelier Firis: The Alchemist and the Mysterious Journey (Koei Tecmo) - 50% like SAO and WoFF the PS4 version is selling better

And that's surprising why?  PS4 version of Atelier Sophie sold better at first too:

02./00. [PS4] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.11.19} (¥7.344) - 30.759 / NEW 
03./00. [PSV] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.11.19} (¥6.264) - 25.805 / NEW 

By the end of the year they were closer, PS4 still slightly ahead though:

145./000. [PS4] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.11.19} (¥6.800) - 46.893 / NEW (30.759 <77,52%>) 
150./000. [PSV] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book # <RPG> (Koei Tecmo) {2015.11.19} (¥5.800) - 45.568 / NEW (25.805 <77,10%>)

So... I'm not shocked that the sequel is likely to see exactly the same behaviour?

Since we're pushing this point I thought we'd dropped though, why didn't you share the other news from the Media Create thread that you're taking this information from?

 

Dengeki, retail software sales for the year so far:

PlayStation 3: 1.523.503 
Nintendo 3DS: 8.125.264 
PlayStation Vita: 4.034.683 
Wii U: 1.729.107 
PlayStation 4: 5.846.255 
Xbox One: 34.697 

Not including Wii and PSP software sales are down by over 4.6m YoY, with the 3DS taking most of it with 3.9m less.

PS4 is up by over 64% and climbing rapidly, it already surpassed it's total sales of 2015 so it'll continue to grow. That's great and all but PS4 is still not making up for the loss of PS3 sales.

Vita, somewhat surprisingly, is also up, though by a rather small margin.

 

So all this doomed talk yet software is still up YoY.  Yes, it's not going as quickly as PS4, but it's still not in the position where support is going to be yanked any second like you're making it out to be.



Kresnik said:
Viktor said:

First Two Days Sell-through {2016.11.03}
[PS4] [PSV] Atelier Firis: The Alchemist and the Mysterious Journey (Koei Tecmo) - 50% like SAO and WoFF the PS4 version is selling better

And that's surprising why?  PS4 version of Atelier Sophie sold better at first too:

02./00. [PS4] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book # (Koei Tecmo) {2015.11.19} (¥7.344) - 30.759 / NEW 
03./00. [PSV] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book # (Koei Tecmo) {2015.11.19} (¥6.264) - 25.805 / NEW 

By the end of the year they were closer, PS4 still slightly ahead though:

145./000. [PS4] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book # (Koei Tecmo) {2015.11.19} (¥6.800) - 46.893 / NEW (30.759 <77,52%>) 
150./000. [PSV] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book # (Koei Tecmo) {2015.11.19} (¥5.800) - 45.568 / NEW (25.805 <77,10%>)

So... I'm not shocked that the sequel is likely to see exactly the same behaviour?

Since we're pushing this point I thought we'd dropped though, why didn't you share the other news from the Media Create thread that you're taking this information from?

 

Dengeki, retail software sales for the year so far:

PlayStation 3: 1.523.503 
Nintendo 3DS: 8.125.264 
PlayStation Vita: 4.034.683 
Wii U: 1.729.107 
PlayStation 4: 5.846.255 
Xbox One: 34.697 

Not including Wii and PSP software sales are down by over 4.6m YoY, with the 3DS taking most of it with 3.9m less.

PS4 is up by over 64% and climbing rapidly, it already surpassed it's total sales of 2015 so it'll continue to grow. That's great and all but PS4 is still not making up for the loss of PS3 sales.

Vita, somewhat surprisingly, is also up, though by a rather small margin.

 

So all this doomed talk yet software is still up YoY.  Yes, it's not going as quickly as PS4, but it's still not in the position where support is going to be yanked any second like you're making it out to be.

The trend didn´t start recently, it just became more pronounced in the past months, Atelier Firis is just another very recent example, of a PS4 version perfprming better. No one is in denial about the fact that 3DS is about to be replaced in support focus among Nintendo systems and has less releases, it will still end up with at least  ~12-14m units of software sold this year and next year the focus will be on Switch, with the obvious consequences. I guess the difference is obvious. PSV will end up this year with at best only 5-7m software sold in Japan, and next year the most reasonable prediction is to  expect considerably less from already low software sales.



Viktor said:

The trend didn´t start recently, it just became more pronounced in the past months, Atelier Firis is just another very recent example, of a PS4 version perfprming better. No one is in denial about the fact that 3DS is about to be replaced in support focus among Nintendo systems and has less releases, it will still end up with at least  ~12-14m units of software sold this year and next year the focus will be on Switch, with the obvious consequences. I guess the difference is obvious. PSV will end up this year with at best only 5-7m software sold in Japan, and next year the most reasonable prediction is to  expect considerably less from already low software sales.

And Vita was replaced in support focus among Sony systems in 2014.  So what's even the reason we're debating at this point?



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Kresnik said:
Viktor said:

The trend didn´t start recently, it just became more pronounced in the past months, Atelier Firis is just another very recent example, of a PS4 version perfprming better. No one is in denial about the fact that 3DS is about to be replaced in support focus among Nintendo systems and has less releases, it will still end up with at least  ~12-14m units of software sold this year and next year the focus will be on Switch, with the obvious consequences. I guess the difference is obvious. PSV will end up this year with at best only 5-7m software sold in Japan, and next year the most reasonable prediction is to  expect considerably less from already low software sales.

And Vita was replaced in support focus among Sony systems in 2014.  So what's even the reason we're debating at this point?

I guess the reason is that there is someone that just denies PSVs actual dire market situation and got defensive when I pointed out the obvious. Trying really hard to convince me otherwise. The most recent ytd software sales comparison, just shows how hard you are trying to paint an unrealistic positive picture by focusing on "relative" comparisons, while belittling the actual sales. Especially the most recent sales of the past few months show that the system is on its last legs. With clear signs of the market shift bearing fruits like the cancellation of PSV versions of games like in case of the recent Crows game from BandaiNamco that became PS4 only.



Viktor said:

I guess the reason is that there is someone that just denies PSVs actual dire market situation and got defensive when I pointed out the obvious. Trying really hard to convince me otherwise. The most recent ytd software sales comparison, just shows how hard you are trying to paint an unrealistic positive picture by focusing on "relative" comparisons, while belittling the actual sales. Especially the most recent sales of the past few months show that the system is on its last legs. With clear signs like the cancellation of PSV versions of games like in case of the recent Crows game from BandaiNamco that became PS4 only.

There you go again with "dire market situation". 

Let's conclude on the point I tried to end this debate on a few days ago and just say that we agree to disagree, lol.



MikeRox said:
Zoombael said:

Ok. Still... that doesn't make it a stationary/handheld console "hybrid". It's a pure handheld console.

It is, but wasn't that also the case with the Sega Nomad?

No? The Nomad was a portable Genesis. You could plug it into your TV, play Genesis games on the "big screen" and due to an controller port even play two player games.



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Kresnik said:
Viktor said:

I guess the reason is that there is someone that just denies PSVs actual dire market situation and got defensive when I pointed out the obvious. Trying really hard to convince me otherwise. The most recent ytd software sales comparison, just shows how hard you are trying to paint an unrealistic positive picture by focusing on "relative" comparisons, while belittling the actual sales. Especially the most recent sales of the past few months show that the system is on its last legs. With clear signs like the cancellation of PSV versions of games like in case of the recent Crows game from BandaiNamco that became PS4 only.

There you go again with "dire market situation". 

Let's conclude on the point I tried to end this debate on a few days ago and just say that we agree to disagree, lol.

Yes, we disagree. lol But as seen with recent releases that confirmed my statements, I would say that I´m leaning more towards a more realistic view on the situation rather than a more optimistic proPSV look at things just for the sake of beeing optimistic.



Zoombael said:
MikeRox said:

It is, but wasn't that also the case with the Sega Nomad?

No? The Nomad was a portable Genesis. You could plug it into your TV, play Genesis games on the "big screen" and due to an controller port even play two player games.

Ah cool. Never realised it had an AV out and controller port. It was never released in Europe so I've had no hands on experience with the system.



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