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pokoko said:
That would sell a lot of units ... to the people who already buy Nintendo games and consoles. Pokemon is the only franchise on that list that would spur growth.

Well said. The Switch will no doubt sell very well to its loyal fanbase, as any console would, but will it attract that more casual crowd? That is hard to tell right now.  The Switch it will NEED third party support and hopefully, many companies jump on board.



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vivster said:
Alkibiádēs said:

I mean a big Pokémon game like Breath of the Wild...

Look at the MASSIVE difference between X/Y and Sun & Moon... And that's on the same handheld. Pokémon will continue to evolve and become more immersive in the process.

If you call that difference massive then I feel even more confident in my prediction.

Play the demo and X/Y and then come back to me. Although you probably don't even own a Nintendo system.



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Ljink96 said:

Switch's 3rd party support will be much like 3DS I think. Nintendo says it's a home console, but we all know it's a decent spec handheld tablet with HDMI output. Nintendo, Level 5, Capcom, Square Enix, Atlus, Sega, Konami, etc. should have no problem making the switch as successful as the 3DS if not more successful. We'll get a sprinkle of Bethesda or 2k, etc but they won't get serious about Switch unless it is a massive success. I don't think switch will be a massive success but I think it'll perform similarly/slightly better than the 3DS.

This guy gets it.

 

I've come to accept that NS is more of a handheld than a console. As long as NS gets 3ds kind of treatment, it will be fine. I do hope nintendo manage to get some AAA sport titles (fifa, nba2k, or PES). Those games will be a great system seller to any console out there



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Captain_Yuri said:

And you think the world revolves around Japan? Those western games cover 2 continents, NA and EU where as Japan only covers Japan. And sure, use official numbers but considering MH never sold well outside of Japan even with official numbers, I doubt its going to change very much.

And I am not ignoring Japan, you are ignoring everyone else. I have said that Japanese third party isn't the problem, western third party is...

https://www.vg247.com/2015/10/21/monster-hunter-4-ultimate-4-million-sales/

I said that Western third party isn't as important because of the hybrid nature of the console (and Nintendo's unified development teams, making them much more efficient). And I stand by it. Obviously the more support the better, but the Switch won't have droughts like the Wii U and 3DS had. If the Switch sells well, there will always be some third party support at least.

And indie games are becoming more popular and Nintendo can definitely count on the support of Western indie developers. Just look at Yooka-Laylee, Shantae; Half Genie Hero, Shovel Knight, Fast Racing Neo (even got a retail release in Europe), Minecraft, Terraria, etc.

Yes, outside of Japan which is NA and EU... 2 Continents selling only 1 million isn't what I would call decent... Vgc actually has slightly more

It is if people want to play big western third party games... The issue isn't japanese third party support. Like I said before, the Vita had tons and considering that the vita is dead, I am sure the NS will have tons. The issue is the big western third party support because those games sell a ton more than virtually all Japanese games in the west. If they are missing those, then they lose a chunk of the potential userbase. Now I am not saying that it is going to sell like shit or anything but that doesn't mean people shouldn't worry about it's third party support. Since if it had those big western third parties on board, it would sell to pretty much every type of gamer but if it won't have western third party support, it will only sell to those who love Nintendo games and Japanese third party games.

You know that most indie games don't sell well and only a few that really do. And most people wouldn't trade indie games for AAA in a million years regardless of how great they may be. Many people hated those segments on Sony's press conf about how they would go on and on showing indie games. Funly enough, Minecraft took forever to get ported to the wiiU and its not even on 3ds. Now the license on owned by Microsoft so idk if they are gonna play ball this time around.

All I am saying is this, it will sell well provided its priced right but it doesn't mean that if people are interested in western third party support shouldn't worry about it. Because if that is what they want to play, then based on the sales numbers, the third party japanese games won't replace most people's taste. So yes, they should worry about it.



                  

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pokoko said:
That would sell a lot of units ... to the people who already buy Nintendo games and consoles. Pokemon is the only franchise on that list that would spur growth.

If people aren't interested in 1st party Nintendo games, why would they bother with the Switch anyway?



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Hiku said:
Captain_Yuri said:
People are worried about the big western third party support, not indie or Japanese

I'm not concerned about western support, but rather 8th gen Japanese console titles making it to NS though.
It's probably going to get good Japanese support for the lower budget games that would normally end up on a system like 3DS, unless the growth of the mobile market hampers NS sales and some of those titles move on to iOS/Android instead, etc.
I was hoping that something like Final Fantasy 7 Remake would make its way to NS, before I saw the reveal.

I won't take for granted that the Japanese market will embrace NS in a big way, and lug that big thing around along with their iPhones. I really hope they do though, but it's very difficult to predict how it'll go. Especially before we know the pricepoint.

As far as 8th gen Japanese console titles go, I agree that it is hard to predict. But I think that more Japanese developers will be making games for handhelds than consoles because handhelds sell more in Japan which is their home country than consoles do. Specially if the NS takes off and thanks to Nvidia, it should be very easy to develop for compared to every other Nintendo console/handheld in the past. And lets not forget that the 3ds did have quite a few exclusives that never came to any other platform. Granted they aren't FF budget but if they still have MH and YW as exclusives and the NS takes off, I think most will come to the handheld. Just not the ones that actually require a ton more power.

It is hard to tell whether or not mobile will take more sales away than they did with the 3ds. If they make mistakes with the NS like having a bad battery life and etc, then I can certainly see it but if they play their cards right, I think they can hold strong. Because a lot of the handheld/console games don't sell well on mobile due to the nature of mobile such as the control scheme and acceptable prices. Its hard to sell say a $40 game on mobile but that is the norm on handhelds.

I will say that I am not a fan of their tablet design over a smaller design. I was kind of urking about it when the rumors were starting and I mentioned the portibility of it all. Hopefully they will have a smaller SKU for that in the future.



                  

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Alkibiádēs said:
vivster said:

If you call that difference massive then I feel even more confident in my prediction.

Play the demo and X/Y and then come back to me. Although you probably don't even own a Nintendo system.

Actually I own several and I will most likely get the Switch on day one. Not that that's any of your business.

Well I think we both made our predictions. Let's see who stays correct.



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AbbathTheGrim said:
I never thought that power was the main reason for lack of third party games there for Nintendo, although I accept the easier the port the better.

I just think that for some reason Third P Devs believe that a lot of Nintendo console owners seem to be pretty much satisfied just by buying Nintendo software, I wonder why they got that idea...

It wasn't. Lack of sales had always been the source of Nintendo's third party woes.

You only need to look at the effort put into making games such as resident evil 4 work on ps2 or even arcade games onto home consoles to show power isn't really a factor. But if there's no market to sell to, there's no point making the effort.



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arthurchan35 said:

Without 3rd parties support, any console will be as good as dead. Nintendo has large 1st party games, but it is not enough to save a console, if it is enough, WiiU wouldnt die at all.
Only exception will be like Wii whose motion console idea really worked out well, in this case, even 3rd parties dont like the hardware, they will port games to it.

For switch, I dont think a home/handheld hybrid console will work as well as Wii, so it needs 3rd parties.

Third party support depends on two things: units sold and ease of portability. If Nintendo comes out of the gate with a unified line-up, strong (enough) sales will be there from the Nintendo faithful. Word of mouth seems to be that porting will be easier on developers this time, with supported tools like UE4. 

With a stronger first-party line-up, Nintendo won't need Xbox 360 level third-party support -  just 3DS level support. Western developers will probably stick to basic ports of their less demanding games, and that's okay. 



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Doesn't matter. This isn't a handheld. It won't be marketed as a handheld, it's hardware won't be priced like a handheld, and its software won't be proved like a handheld. The Switch is DOA without multiplats, and with 32GB internal, a 128GB cap on external, and a telling 16GB standard on game card sizes, this thing is not keeping multiplat support.

Literally everything I've been saying is wrong with carts has turned out to be wrong with the Switch, and Nintendo has no more chances after this. If Switch fails, it doesn't matter how much money Nintendo has - their hardware brand will be in the gutter. I know I said that they need to keep the price as low as possible, but if it's st this cost, they should have gone digital only, put in $500GB of storage, and priced it at $399. At least then they could have marketed it as a premium device. I am not looking forward to what we learn on Jan 12.