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Alkibiádēs said:
taus90 said:

Well technically supergame boy was addon for two different consoles compared to PSP and Nomad which were single system and had the ability to hook it up to ur tv "built in". But dont you think we should walk down a little bit more down the road and meet Turbo Grafx 16 and Turbo Express, oh and look who we have next door, Game Gear which also had an addon to play Sega Master systems carts, how fascinating. Predates Super Game Boy "originality" by 4 years. And 4 year's are enough to come up with something "innovative". Sorry to burst your bubble. 

So the best you can come up with are handheld consoles nobody every played or bought. Fascinating. Innovation is building on top of the knowledge of previous generations: we don't start from zero every time we "invent" something new. Scientific knowledge is cumulative, something a lot of you guys are apparently unaware of.

Oh and it's entirely possible for two entities to come up with the same idea independently from each other: just look at farming and the domestication of animals.

Ok so let me get this, its not a rip off if the tech is not successfull or didnt sell. Exactly like, its not a crime if there are no witnesses! right? And Nintendo didnt start from Zero they copied that zero along with the font Super Game Boy is beat to beat exactly like their top rival company Sega Game gear, which came out 4 years before, how on earth nintendo didn't knew about that. Its like saying Sony didnt know about xbox Achievment system before implementing their own trophy system. By now u must have some solid biceps after moving that goal posts so many times.

Farming and Domestication of animal to gaming console LMAO, thats the best analogy you could think of. I think you are messing with me, or my saracasm detector is broken. Even though farming and domestication of animals might have come at the same time, still both of those ideas are different and satisfy one particular need.  



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If i do remember correctly, you could connect the PSP to the TV, si yeah keep telling yourself NS is a newly conceived idea...



                          

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Alkibiádēs said:
V-r0cK said:

Nintendo is copying this time (and one of the last to finally do it) - in terms of a handheld device that can play games and hooking up to a TV.

The PSP/PSP Go has a charging dock that you can hook up to your TV and play with a Dualshock 3 controller.  Hell it even has home console style games to make it feel like both a portable and home console (ie MGS Peacewalker, GoW, Crisis Core etc..).  Hell even the Sega Nomad was able to hook up to the TV i believe, so maybe Sega was the first to do this.  You can already do similar to this as well with MS Surface Pro tablets.  

I feel like alot of Nintendo fans ignore these innovation from others because they're so in belief that Nintendo is the only one capable of innovating.  Yes Nintendo has innovated a shit load of things, but doesn't mean that they've innovated ever single thing in the video game world.  The only difference that makes the Switch seem better than others is that because they're the last to do this so they have the better/newer technology to impliment more and newer ideas and features.  If Sega's Nomad and the PSP/PSP Go was to be released the same time as the Switch then you better believe it that they'll have similar/new features like the Switch.

Title of the thread should be "Switch finally copies Sony and MS (and Sega)"

That being said,  regardless of Nintendo's late arrival to hybrid console I still can't wait to get the Switch.  I've always loved that feature when I was playing my PSP Go and I'm excited again with Nintendo.

Who on earth wants to play PSP games on a big screen HD TV? This is NOT the same as the Nintendo Switch (and we don't even know all the information yet, so stop pretending this is all the Switch is). You do realize you could already play GAMEBOY games on the SNES with the Super Game Boy (1994)? So if anything, Nintendo certainly was the first. The idea is just fully realized now, and again, Nintendo is the first that's doing so.

Lol, its like saying "Who on earth would like to play pong at 600*400?" that was the technology back in the Day, your argument is so funny as trying to make look like Nintendo is gonna be magically saved by NS



                          

"We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us" - Andrew Ryan, Bioshock.

taus90 said:
Alkibiádēs said:

So the best you can come up with are handheld consoles nobody every played or bought. Fascinating. Innovation is building on top of the knowledge of previous generations: we don't start from zero every time we "invent" something new. Scientific knowledge is cumulative, something a lot of you guys are apparently unaware of.

Oh and it's entirely possible for two entities to come up with the same idea independently from each other: just look at farming and the domestication of animals.

Ok so let me get this, its not a rip off if the tech is not successfull or didnt sell. Exactly like, its not a crime if there are no witnesses! right? And Nintendo didnt start from Zero they copied that zero along with the font Super Game Boy is beat to beat exactly like their top rival company Sega Game gear, which came out 4 years before, how on earth nintendo didn't knew about that. Its like saying Sony didnt know about xbox Achievment system before implementing their own trophy system. By now u must have some solid biceps after moving that goal posts so many times.

Farming and Domestication of animal to gaming console LMAO, thats the best analogy you could think of. I think you are messing with me, or my saracasm detector is broken. Even though farming and domestication of animals might have come at the same time, still both of those ideas are different and satisfy one particular need.  

Nobody starts from zero, that was the whole freaking point of my post. The Nintendo Switch however is the FIRST time a major hardware company will merge its handheld and home console division into one. The Sega Game Gear couldn't actually play Genesis or Master System games. You had to buy a seperate adaptor that you could plug into your Master Sytem (a last-generation console by the time this adaptor came out) to play Sega Game Gear games. Sega was mostly focused on developing games for the Genesis at the time, the Game Gear only got a few first-party titles as a result. It's obviously not the same as the Nintendo Switch at all.

Likewise, the PSP could not play PS2 or PS3 games. You could plug the handheld into your TV to play the PSP games on your big screen. Again, Sony's handheld and home console divisions were still very much divided. It was a portable handheld that could be played on your big TV if you so desired. You could NOT play home console experiences on the go like the Nintendo Switch aims to do. The PSP is nothing like the Nintendo Switch will be.

The PS Vita is a slightly different story. Sony's handheld and home console divisions are again still seperated. They've even abandonned the PS Vita and are no longer developping games for it (and haven't for quite a while). You can't play PS Vita games on your PS4. You can however play PS4 games on your Vita through a streaming service, but your entirely dependent on the stability of an internet connection. The PS Vita and PS4 also have a different control set-up: the Vita lacks L2/R2 buttons for example. Games are designed with the PS4 controller in mind, not with the Vita's button lay-out. A lot of PS4 games are quite frankly terrible to play on the Vita due to this. And there's always going to be at least some lag which can affect twitch-based and online multiplayer games. You also need to buy two systems: a PS4 ($400) and a Vita ($200). This sets you back at least $600 and you don't even have games to play on it then! 

So again, the Nintendo Switch is a unique console in the sense that it's the first time that a big hardware company merges its handheld and home console divisions into one. Whether you're gaming on your TV or on the go, your games will control the same. You're not dependent on an internet connection either as the portable tablet IS the console. Good luck argueing that the Nintendo Switch isn't something new. Yes, it builds on ideas of older generations, but so does pretty much every other new idea in the gaming industry. No one starts from scratch like I said. That would be a stupid thing to do. Nintendo has analysed earlier attempts of "hybrid consoles". They know what works and what doesn't work and they built their entire console around this concept.

Ps: Improve your reading comprehension please. I said FARMING sprung up at different places around the world independently from each other. The same goes for the domestication of animals. I wasn't comparing the farming of crops with the domestication of life-stock.



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Alkibiádēs said:

Nobody starts from zero, that was the whole freaking point of my post. The Nintendo Switch however is the FIRST time a major hardware company will merge its handheld and home console division into one. The Sega Game Gear couldn't actually play Genesis or Master System games. You had to buy a seperate adaptor that you could plug into your Master Sytem (a last-generation console by the time this adaptor came out) to play Sega Game Gear games. Sega was mostly focused on developing games for the Genesis at the time, the Game Gear only got a few first-party titles as a result. It's obviously not the same as the Nintendo Switch at all.

Likewise, the PSP could not play PS2 or PS3 games. You could plug the handheld into your TV to play the PSP games on your big screen. Again, Sony's handheld and home console divisions were still very much divided. It was a portable handheld that could be played on your big TV if you so desired. You could NOT play home console experiences on the go like the Nintendo Switch aims to do. The PSP is nothing like the Nintendo Switch will be.

The PS Vita is a slightly different story. Sony's handheld and home console divisions are again still seperated. They've even abandonned the PS Vita and are no longer developping games for it (and haven't for quite a while). You can't play PS Vita games on your PS4. You can however play PS4 games on your Vita through a streaming service, but your entirely dependent on the stability of an internet connection. The PS Vita and PS4 also have a different control set-up: the Vita lacks L2/R2 buttons for example. Games are designed with the PS4 controller in mind, not with the Vita's button lay-out. A lot of PS4 games are quite frankly terrible to play on the Vita due to this. And there's always going to be at least some lag which can affect twitch-based and online multiplayer games. You also need to buy two systems: a PS4 ($400) and a Vita ($200). This sets you back at least $600 and you don't even have games to play on it then! 

So again, the Nintendo Switch is a unique console in the sense that it's the first time that a big hardware company merges its handheld and home console divisions into one. Whether you're gaming on your TV or on the go, your games will control the same. You're not dependent on an internet connection either as the portable tablet IS the console. Good luck argueing that the Nintendo Switch isn't something new. Yes, it builds on ideas of older generations, but so does pretty much every other new idea in the gaming industry. No one starts from scratch like I said. That would be a stupid thing to do. Nintendo has analysed earlier attempts of "hybrid consoles". They know what works and what doesn't work and they built their entire console around this concept.

Ps: Improve your reading comprehension please. I said FARMING sprung up at different places around the world independently from each other. The same goes for the domestication of animals. I wasn't comparing the farming of crops with the domestication of life-stock.

LOL do you even know what the original OP is about. How company handles its resources and gaming division is not the "innovation" people here are talking about, this topic is about the concept that some people are claiming is first of its kind and will MS and Sony copy it, but it has been proven by the history its not something new nintendo came up, with but infact copied it. And also how one company implements the same idea is a different argument altogether. Nintendo Good handheld, bad home console. Sony polar opposite, so priorities are different. 

And Nintendo on record have said they are not ceasing 3ds and has also confirmed NS wont be backward compatible to wii u and 3ds. PS4 cant play PS vita game, neither will NS to 3ds. NS so far looks like a handheld with a docking station which connects to a tv. How is that different from what psp did 10 years ago or nomad, PSP was marketed as console like experience in ur hand and it had console like games, completed my GTA's Midnight club, peacewalker, patapon, crisis core, god of war and many more, everything on the go, all i needed was to carry a cable and dualshock 3, not the entire dock. And its not about playing home console games on handheld,  every system has its own development, the real question how were you able to play it.

If you still think Its about playing home console games on the go, then i dont think NS is a home console as dock doesnt provide extra gpu power to qualify it as a home console, its a handheld with a docking station. At the end of the day no matter how much nintendo claims its a home console a NS is nothing but handheld disguised in Home console or at Best Nvidia Shield 2 with nintendo branding and games.

PS: I really really really do want Nintendo to succeed with NS and not mess this up for two reasons 1) Competition is good for the industry. 3) Next Playstation portable!



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Alright, so the common answer is a clear NO, so I think this thread is done. That's all I wanted to know.



There is no reason to. Sony has the generation in the bag and Nintendo will struggle based on price point. Nintendo doesnt follow the new timelines of generation which Sony has ushered in since 1995. Ten year cycles. Nintendo puts out two consoles in the time Sony completely finishes with one console. Sony's first party is struggling as it is, so I don't why they would waste their time after the loss the Vita caused them to have. Microsoft more often than not follows Sony...so id say no there as well



First you are acting like poor Nintendo is the one that is always ripped by others but don't copy others ideas...

But just on the merit of the OP.

Microsoft makes the Surface, so yes if Nintendo is successful they could easily make modifications to surface line and include a version that would look close to switch (on their case that would only make detachable controls and perhaps launch more games with local co-op).

Sony already tried similar with phones and vita, but now have PSNow... but sure would be good for them to relaunch XperiaPlaystation, Playtab, etc all being PSNow capable and using scalability be able to play PS4 games..

So it isn't impossible, but since I don't think Switch will be the 100M+ system I don't think the others will rush to copy.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
First you are acting like poor Nintendo is the one that is always ripped by others but don't copy others ideas...

I already said TWICE that I don't want to blame any compnay for stealing any idea. That's not what this was about.



Alkibiádēs said:
taus90 said:

Well technically supergame boy was addon for two different consoles compared to PSP and Nomad which were single system and had the ability to hook it up to ur tv "built in". But dont you think we should walk down a little bit more down the road and meet Turbo Grafx 16 and Turbo Express, oh and look who we have next door, Game Gear which also had an addon to play Sega Master systems carts, how fascinating. Predates Super Game Boy "originality" by 4 years. And 4 year's are enough to come up with something "innovative". Sorry to burst your bubble. 

So the best you can come up with are handheld consoles nobody every played or bought. Fascinating. Innovation is building on top of the knowledge of previous generations: we don't start from zero every time we "invent" something new. Scientific knowledge is cumulative, something a lot of you guys are apparently unaware of.

Oh and it's entirely possible for two entities to come up with the same idea independently from each other: just look at farming and the domestication of animals.

So when Nintendo does it isn't copying because the idea wasn't successful, but when others do it is copying because Nintendo made them successful? So much bending in this one.

Even more when we consider people try to blame sony of copying nintendo on dualshock, although it was under development before N64 made any success with it (and made it integrated, so different than what N64 had, and from your perspective that would be innovation and not copy), same on the Wii case, since PS2 already had eyetoy and sixaxis already had motion sensitive controls before Wii was a thing and we can cancel powerglove since it wasn't a success... thank you for confirming that Sony never copied Nintendo.

GoOnKid said:
DonFerrari said:
First you are acting like poor Nintendo is the one that is always ripped by others but don't copy others ideas...

I already said TWICE that I don't want to blame any compnay for stealing any idea. That's not what this was about.

So reddo your OP and instead of saying copying say they would reinforce their efforts in the same direction, because both companies already had tentatives on these directions before.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."