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makingmusic476 said:
TheUltimateLife said:
canada also has like free health care or something, I watched that sicko movie, it was an eye opener! sounds like canada is the place to be right now

It's far from free, and many people with serious illnesses come to America because they can't recieve treatment quick enough in Canada.

Imagine healthcare run by the government. Going to a hospital would be like going to the DMV. Okay, it wouldn't be that bad, but it's still not so great.

Canadians are healthier and have better access to health care than U.S. residents. And, according to a new study, Canadians obtain better care for half of what Americans spend on their medical system.

"The data is clear and really irrefutable: Canadians are healthier than Americans and they have better access to medical care," Dr. Steffy Woolhandler of the Harvard Medical School said Tuesday. She added that medical care is easier to access for Canadians.

The study, published in the American Journal of Public Health, was conducted by Harvard Medical School researchers. They also found that:

  • Canadians were seven per cent more likely to have a regular doctor
  • Canadians were 19 per cent less likely than Americans to have their health needs go unmet.
  • Americans were more than twice as likely to forgo needed medicines because of cost.
 

 



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makingmusic476 said:
TheUltimateLife said:
canada also has like free health care or something, I watched that sicko movie, it was an eye opener! sounds like canada is the place to be right now

It's far from free, and many people with serious illnesses come to America because they can't recieve treatment quick enough in Canada.

Imagine healthcare run by the government.  Going to a hospital would be like going to the DMV.  Okay, it wouldn't be  that bad, but it's still not so great. 


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makingmusic476 said:
TheUltimateLife said:
canada also has like free health care or something, I watched that sicko movie, it was an eye opener! sounds like canada is the place to be right now

It's far from free, and many people with serious illnesses come to America because they can't recieve treatment quick enough in Canada.

Imagine healthcare run by the government.  Going to a hospital would be like going to the DMV.  Okay, it wouldn't be  that bad, but it's still not so great. 


 

hahahah that is so funny because that’s exactly what the American government was saying on the sicko movie and then the guy goes to all the places and finds out its all a lie! hahahaha you have been fed to much propaganda. there’s nothing wrong with a good government running a good health care system. Is there anything wrong with your government that makes you not want it to give you a free/ cheap health care system?

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aparently american health care is below some 3rd world countries, thats not made up



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This is a serious and real problem, and it comes down to this (for any industry) - how much assistance is it fair for any government to give a specific industry, in a specific country - primarily to lure businesses from other countries over.

Australia has been "suffering" for similar reasons for years - even though the government here actually gives significant grants and benefits.

Companies keep asking for more - and ultimately it affects the competitiveness of the industry. I don't have any problem with tax breaks though - then at least the companies STILL have to make money to be effective. Salary offsets, I'm not so sure about.

Doing business in the UK in expensive enough (esp. re: labour), so another country offering this makes it very hard to stay there.



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I saw in France when you have a baby they can send you a free nanny to help you around the house and that the government also pays you to have a proper holiday to recover from serious problems like cancer so your work doesn’t have to pay you heaps of cash, they only pay a bit and then the government helps out so you can get back on your feet in the time needed. I'm from Australia and we have to pay for our health insurance as well, I think its about $100AU a month for a couple (some one correct me on that cos I’m not sure), and even then you may have to go on waiting lists, so its not as bad as America but man I would love it if our government would pitch in a little more. Especially when it comes to payed work breaks.

The UK definitely seems like the place to be though!

Canada= game dev, UK = health care



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What a silly thing on the UK's behalf. Then again our government is hopelessly incompetent so I'm not that surprised.

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Canada is basically doing the exact same thing now with videogames that it starting doing with movies and television in the late 90s, giving incentives to bring studios and productions to Canada. It has worked amazingly well bringing massive amounts of money and productions into Canada and now it looks to be having similar success with videogames.

Here's a 2006 article about it:

http://www.slate.com/id/2136064/?nav=navoa

Why are so many movies still being shot in Canada?
By Edward Jay Epstein
Posted Monday, Feb. 13, 2006, at 2:51 PM ET

"Heeding the siren call of the wild in the form of a plummeting Canadian loonie, Hollywood moved north during the last decade, outsourcing to Canada no fewer than 1,500 film and television productions. Producers found that Vancouver could double for middle America, Toronto could stand in for New York City (especially if the director avoids wide shots), and Calgary can pass for the American West. At times, however, some script adjustments were required to accommodate the cold reality of the North. For example, in Final Destination 3, which was filmed in British Columbia, the climactic attack was supposed to occur during an outdoor party on the Fourth of July, but since it was not feasible to have actors wearing summery clothes during Vancouver's chilly spring, the holiday was changed to the town's "Tricentennial Celebration." But for Hollywood's illusion-makers, who have lots of experience in geographically deluding audiences, the northern exposure presents few problems that can't be overcome.

Even though Canada has spectacular settings, it's not the production values that film producers go there to find. The lure is, in a single word, money. In Southern California, the studios have highly efficient soundstages and an abundance of skilled technicians, but the unions' work rules make it extremely expensive to shoot exteriors. For example, a production can shoot for only 14 hours a day with normal overtime and then must pay double time. It also must employ redundant Teamster drivers to chauffeur actors to and from locations (even if they have their own drivers). These costs run even higher for independent producers—about 9 percent on average—who are not part of the National Term Agreement that the studios have with the unions. As a result, the indies need Canada—or another deeply discounted country.

In Canada, producers still have unionized labor to contend with, but they get a huge discount—in the late 1990s, it was as high as 35 percent—by paying labor in Canadian dollars. On top of that, the Canadian Federal Government provides foreign producers with a subsidy called the Film Production Services Tax Credit, which now equals 16 percent of the Canadian labor costs. (It was recently raised from 11 percent to offset a rise in the Canadian loonie against the American greenback.) Also, British Columbia offers an additional 18 percent rebate on labor from that province. Finally, there is a 20 percent break on digital effects, if they are done in Canada. In order to qualify for this tax credit, either the director or the screenwriter and one of the two highest paid actors must be Canadian, which might partly explain the demand for Canadian actresses such as Rachel McAdams and Alexz Johnson, the star of Final Destination 3.*"



Dodece said:
I am terribly confused isn't Canada doing what a competent government is supposed to do. Encourage foreign investment in their economy, and strengthen their local economy with good paying jobs. What a novel concept sounds like something Britain should consider. I am not even seeing unfair competition here its not like the economies in question are disproportionate to one another.

I might see the point if there were game development sweat shops with poorly paid Canadians sweating over hot keyboards. With no benefits and a overbearing boss that brings a cattle prod to work every morning to keep the peons in line during their sixteen hour shifts. While has special assistant hides the employees shoes and sprinkled broken glass outside the building.

Nothing will come of this anyway its my experience in life that any group or organization that use apostrophes in its title is the kind of organization that will never commit to anything. Hell its hard to even be intimidated by such a group without first saying what exactly is it you do again? I am also reasonably sure such a group also accumulates pointless tasks then need never be assigned.

Governments arent supposed to unfairly support companies so that they can beat the competition in other countries, if uk decided to give their game companies money and tax breaks then canada would be upset and screwed aswell and it can end up a worldwide trade war where all governments start supporting their video game companies then where would we be? The companies get rich off the governments fighting each other for development in this sector. Its similar to subsidizing farmers so that they can sell their goods cheap, its similar to cheap labor in that the government pays part of the costs, in this case it seems to be in the form of tax cuts which is debatable how unfair an advantage it gives but the principal is still the same. For fair trade to work companies need to have equal opportunities wherever they do their business.