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starcraft on 31 March 2008
Dodece said:
Call my a conspiracy theorist. However its a thought worth considering. Perhaps the titles development resources have been scaled back. Square hid none of their dismay last year with the sales of the PS3. They went so far as to criticize Sony for their high price point, and for their poor marketing of the machine. There are valid financial reasons to direct more assets elsewhere.

Square wants to make as much money on their game as possible. They are not developing, producing, and releasing the game merely to sell PS3s for Sony. They want to sell their product first and foremost. This isn't about what is good for Sony or their brand. I know a lot of hot blooded fans have a hard time separating the two.

Square will simply have better sales of the game if they release it only once the PS3 has reached a critical threshold in regards to the user base. Which in Japan is still incredibly small. They may see this, and may have seen it last year. So they possibly cut back the development resources delaying the game for a few years waiting for the console to get on its feet as it were.

The answer to your question is that development is probably crawling along, and they are not as far along as you would think or hope.
There may well be a lot of truth to this.  I think SE will keep FFXIII exclusive to the PS3, but thats where their loyalty to Sony ends.  A lot of people forget that FFXIII doesn't exist to sell PS3's, it exists to sell itself.

 



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FishyJoe on 31 March 2008

SE said that they don't want to launch FFXIII the same year as DQIX. Whether that's the actual truth who knows.

And if there is one thing this generation has demonstrated, it's that multi-platform games seem to sell a lot better than exclusives, at least on the PS3 and 360.  



dallas on 31 March 2008
starcraft said:
Dodece said:
Call my a conspiracy theorist. However its a thought worth considering. Perhaps the titles development resources have been scaled back. Square hid none of their dismay last year with the sales of the PS3. They went so far as to criticize Sony for their high price point, and for their poor marketing of the machine. There are valid financial reasons to direct more assets elsewhere.

Square wants to make as much money on their game as possible. They are not developing, producing, and releasing the game merely to sell PS3s for Sony. They want to sell their product first and foremost. This isn't about what is good for Sony or their brand. I know a lot of hot blooded fans have a hard time separating the two.

Square will simply have better sales of the game if they release it only once the PS3 has reached a critical threshold in regards to the user base. Which in Japan is still incredibly small. They may see this, and may have seen it last year. So they possibly cut back the development resources delaying the game for a few years waiting for the console to get on its feet as it were.

The answer to your question is that development is probably crawling along, and they are not as far along as you would think or hope.
There may well be a lot of truth to this.  I think SE will keep FFXIII exclusive to the PS3, but thats where their loyalty to Sony ends.  A lot of people forget that FFXIII doesn't exist to sell PS3's, it exists to sell itself.

 


Well, i agree with this but I also think that if the PS3 weren't around, that square enix wouldn't really have a good alternative as far as which console to support for the FF series.  It wouldn't do it for the meltbox360, b/c MS could care less about Japan.  It wouldn't do it for the wii b/c the wii just doesn't do a lot of RPG's.  Either way,  with the analysts saying that the market power of the PS3 will grow this and next yea relative to the other two, Square Enix might be a much more enthusiastic supporter of the PS3 than now.



TheRealMafoo on 31 March 2008
dallas said:
starcraft said:
Dodece said:
Call my a conspiracy theorist. However its a thought worth considering. Perhaps the titles development resources have been scaled back. Square hid none of their dismay last year with the sales of the PS3. They went so far as to criticize Sony for their high price point, and for their poor marketing of the machine. There are valid financial reasons to direct more assets elsewhere.

Square wants to make as much money on their game as possible. They are not developing, producing, and releasing the game merely to sell PS3s for Sony. They want to sell their product first and foremost. This isn't about what is good for Sony or their brand. I know a lot of hot blooded fans have a hard time separating the two.

Square will simply have better sales of the game if they release it only once the PS3 has reached a critical threshold in regards to the user base. Which in Japan is still incredibly small. They may see this, and may have seen it last year. So they possibly cut back the development resources delaying the game for a few years waiting for the console to get on its feet as it were.

The answer to your question is that development is probably crawling along, and they are not as far along as you would think or hope.
There may well be a lot of truth to this.  I think SE will keep FFXIII exclusive to the PS3, but thats where their loyalty to Sony ends.  A lot of people forget that FFXIII doesn't exist to sell PS3's, it exists to sell itself.

 


Well, i agree with this but I also think that if the PS3 weren't around, that square enix wouldn't really have a good alternative as far as which console to support for the FF series.  It wouldn't do it for the meltbox360, b/c MS could care less about Japan.  It wouldn't do it for the wii b/c the wii just doesn't do a lot of RPG's.  Either way,  with the analysts saying that the market power of the PS3 will grow this and next yea relative to the other two, Square Enix might be a much more enthusiastic supporter of the PS3 than now.


This sounds very plausible, but they said it will be this year, a few months ago. If they were going to delay it longer, why say anything at all?

And as for the franchise moving if the PS3 failed, it would go to the Wii. 



Mars on 31 March 2008
Dodece said:
Call my a conspiracy theorist. However its a thought worth considering. Perhaps the titles development resources have been scaled back. Square hid none of their dismay last year with the sales of the PS3. They went so far as to criticize Sony for their high price point, and for their poor marketing of the machine. There are valid financial reasons to direct more assets elsewhere.

Square wants to make as much money on their game as possible. They are not developing, producing, and releasing the game merely to sell PS3s for Sony. They want to sell their product first and foremost. This isn't about what is good for Sony or their brand. I know a lot of hot blooded fans have a hard time separating the two.

Square will simply have better sales of the game if they release it only once the PS3 has reached a critical threshold in regards to the user base. Which in Japan is still incredibly small. They may see this, and may have seen it last year. So they possibly cut back the development resources delaying the game for a few years waiting for the console to get on its feet as it were.

The answer to your question is that development is probably crawling along, and they are not as far along as you would think or hope.

 

- Theres not one valid reason to sabotage your own huge develoment of your own biggest franchise a franchise that is the backbone of your corporation by cutting funds after 3 years of development. Games take time to develop, great games take a hell of alot of time. Its a good 4 years between a Gran Turismo game is released these days. You dont finish a huge game like FF13 in 2/3 years.

- $$$ the highest selling FF launched on a 12/14 million user base bud. Square will have huge sales no matter when it launches, be it right now xmas or two years from now.

- to shut down or even slow down a production the size of FF13 would be flat out retarded and would cost them more at the end of the day. The most cost affective thing is for them to get their ass's moving finish the game and release it before to much competition arrvies. FF13 will do better in NA and Eu if it does not have to compete agianst White Night and Fallout 3 and a possible Mass Effect2

- Square knows damn well Japan is becoming less and less relevent to over all game sales, they know damn well the game must be very NA and Euro friendly to succeed these days. SE has said so them selfs bud, Japan wont even do 40% of FF13 sales probably.

- u can't be foolish enough to think FF13 is exclusive with out Sony funding a part of the develoment, are you ?

 

Your points are very ignroant, you pretty much go agianst common business sense.

Develpment is speeding ahead as fast as possible, the sooner its finished the less it costs them the sooner it brings them MONEY - thats the reality of this industry.



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dallas on 31 March 2008

The development has been happening when the PS3 has not been the most popular console..... until now after the death of HD-Dud that is, so for Sqeenix to stay loyal they were probably given some mad cash.



makingmusic476 on 31 March 2008
Dodece said:
Call my a conspiracy theorist. However its a thought worth considering. Perhaps the titles development resources have been scaled back. Square hid none of their dismay last year with the sales of the PS3. They went so far as to criticize Sony for their high price point, and for their poor marketing of the machine. There are valid financial reasons to direct more assets elsewhere.

Square wants to make as much money on their game as possible. They are not developing, producing, and releasing the game merely to sell PS3s for Sony. They want to sell their product first and foremost. This isn't about what is good for Sony or their brand. I know a lot of hot blooded fans have a hard time separating the two.

Square will simply have better sales of the game if they release it only once the PS3 has reached a critical threshold in regards to the user base. Which in Japan is still incredibly small. They may see this, and may have seen it last year. So they possibly cut back the development resources delaying the game for a few years waiting for the console to get on its feet as it were.

The answer to your question is that development is probably crawling along, and they are not as far along as you would think or hope.

This line of reasoning has always irked me. Consoles don't sell without games, so delaying games while waiting for the install base to increase certainly won't do anybody any good. I also can't see publishers sitting on a project far along in development (thus burning cash) just to wait for the install base of the platform to increase, especially when the game in this particular situation is the key title expected to start pushing systems (in Japane especially).



FaRmLaNd on 31 March 2008

Microsoft couldn't care less about Japan? One only has to look at all the JRPG's on the system to see that that simply isn't true. The Japanese market doesn't care about the 360 which is a completely different problem.



makingmusic476 on 31 March 2008
dallas said:
starcraft said:
Dodece said:
Call my a conspiracy theorist. However its a thought worth considering. Perhaps the titles development resources have been scaled back. Square hid none of their dismay last year with the sales of the PS3. They went so far as to criticize Sony for their high price point, and for their poor marketing of the machine. There are valid financial reasons to direct more assets elsewhere.

Square wants to make as much money on their game as possible. They are not developing, producing, and releasing the game merely to sell PS3s for Sony. They want to sell their product first and foremost. This isn't about what is good for Sony or their brand. I know a lot of hot blooded fans have a hard time separating the two.

Square will simply have better sales of the game if they release it only once the PS3 has reached a critical threshold in regards to the user base. Which in Japan is still incredibly small. They may see this, and may have seen it last year. So they possibly cut back the development resources delaying the game for a few years waiting for the console to get on its feet as it were.

The answer to your question is that development is probably crawling along, and they are not as far along as you would think or hope.
There may well be a lot of truth to this. I think SE will keep FFXIII exclusive to the PS3, but thats where their loyalty to Sony ends. A lot of people forget that FFXIII doesn't exist to sell PS3's, it exists to sell itself.

 


Well, i agree with this but I also think that if the PS3 weren't around, that square enix wouldn't really have a good alternative as far as which console to support for the FF series. It wouldn't do it for the meltbox360, b/c MS could care less about Japan. It wouldn't do it for the wii b/c the wii just doesn't do a lot of RPG's. Either way, with the analysts saying that the market power of the PS3 will grow this and next yea relative to the other two, Square Enix might be a much more enthusiastic supporter of the PS3 than now.


Now that just makes little sense. I could understand the reasoning that FF is a very cinematic series, thus making an HD console the perfect fit for FFXIII (compared to DQ, which is a more gameplay oriented franchise), but to simply say that "the Wii just doesn't do a lot of RPG's" is a very flawed argument.  Just look at the amount of RPGs on the DS and the amount of RPGs out or in the works for the Wii (Fire Emblem, Fragile, etc.).

Really, any console that's dominating Japan would be the prime target for JRPGs. 



dallas on 31 March 2008

Well, whether you say that MS is concentrating on the west or that they could care less it really doesn't matter, as the difference lies merely in the semantics and phrasing. Either way, i think that it is probably a smart idea for MS to not really do a whole lot in japan b/c they will just have that much of a harder time in a foreign culture, up against 2 other strong competitors on their home turf.