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Forums - Gaming - Nintendo president essentially confirms Switch is a handheld

Xen said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Isn't this just semantics? You can hook it up to a TV and friends can hang out and play together in the living room. Or you can take it on the train or plane and play solo on a portable device.

It functions as both. Why do we need to label it?

By the time there is a released product, it will be semantics. But as to now, this is the kind of distinction necessary in order to know what to expect of the device so hype can be built.

Why? It plays Nintendo games. Do you like Nintendo games and want to play them? If yes, get a Switch. If no, don't. Is money an issue? Wait for a price drop.

Why does the form factor matter in the least? Apart from Nintendo fans making themselves martyrs and Nintendo detractors twisting the knife?



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Veknoid_Outcast said:
Xen said:

By the time there is a released product, it will be semantics. But as to now, this is the kind of distinction necessary in order to know what to expect of the device so hype can be built.

Why? It plays Nintendo games. Do you like Nintendo games and want to play them? If yes, get a Switch. If no, don't. Is money an issue? Wait for a price drop.

Why does the form factor matter in the least? Apart from Nintendo fans making themselves martyrs and Nintendo detractors twisting the knife?

What else does it play? What support will it get? Will 3DS support migrate in a big way? Is it geared for one market, another, or both? It's very important to communicate that in order to start building up hype among gamers, and giving clear targets for devs.

If the only thing it's gonna do is "play Nintendo games", then its fate is much closer to the Wii U than the 3DS. It is not enough for mass market success.



Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

I think hole point of Switch is to be "jack of all trades, but master of none" at price of a just home console. With good price, good marketing and good launch lineup, can be very attractive for both home console and handheld lovers, not to mention that will certainly be interesting for some casuals also.

Lets be honest the main buyers for this thing are going to be 3DS owners. This isn't going to compete with a PS4/XB1, with the revelation of no HDD today, it likely cannot even run a lot of the big AAA home console games as some of those games are the size of an entire 128GB SD Card. 

Actually, most AAA games land around the 60 gig mark.  And tens of gigs of that is unoptimized audio that is that size for literally no reason whatsoever other than publisher/develiper laziness.  99% of all AAA games could easily fit on the Switch card if it is 64 gigs in capacity which is entirely feasible.

As for whether it is a handheld or home console, it has features of both but I would say that integrated same-device local multiplayer is a very distinctively home console feature.  And of course to be a true handheld, the device is a bit on the large size.  Also, they ain't marketing this as a handheld any time soon.  Price will be way too high.



Xen said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Why? It plays Nintendo games. Do you like Nintendo games and want to play them? If yes, get a Switch. If no, don't. Is money an issue? Wait for a price drop.

Why does the form factor matter in the least? Apart from Nintendo fans making themselves martyrs and Nintendo detractors twisting the knife?

What else does it play? What support will it get? Will 3DS support migrate in a big way? Is it geared for one market, another, or both? It's very important to communicate that in order to start building up hype among gamers, and giving clear targets for devs.

If the only thing it's gonna do is "play Nintendo games", then its fate is much closer to the Wii U than the 3DS. It is not enough for mass market success.

I think it's support will be 

1.) Nintendo games (Wii U and 3DS libraries combined, so Splatoon *and* Pokemon on the same system)

2.) 3DS third parties (Monster Hunter V, Yokai Watch, etc.) and probably some Vita devs too. 

3.) A *few* PS4/XB1 downports. Some devs, mostly Japanese ones will be willing to port games largely because of the odds of success for this thing in Japan. So possibly Kingdom Hearts 3, Final Fantasy VII Remake, Soul Calibur VI, Resident Evil 7 ... that kinda thing. But no to a lot of others ... probably no GTA, no Red Dead, no Star Wars Battlefront, no Mass Effect, no Witcher, no Call of Duty. Easier to port games like sport titles (NBA 2K, FIFA) and fighting games (Mortal Kombat) ... maybe from the West and even that I would say is contingent on it doing at least as well as the 3DS did in the West. 

4.) Western indie devs and Western kids IP (basically LEGO and Minecraft). 

5.) Android games, if Nintendo allows it. 



Soundwave said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

I think hole point of Switch is to be "jack of all trades, but master of none" at price of a just home console. With good price, good marketing and good launch lineup, can be very attractive for both home console and handheld lovers, not to mention that will certainly be interesting for some casuals also.

Lets be honest the main buyers for this thing are going to be 3DS owners.

This isn't going to compete with a PS4/XB1, with the revelation of no HDD today, it likely cannot even run a lot of the big AAA home console games as some of those games are the size of an entire 128GB SD Card. 

Who said it will compete with PS4/XB1!? But actually can be very interesting secondary console for PS4/XB1 owners. Why would Switch need big HDD when with cartridges they don't need to instal games!? Saying that some of AAA games take whole 128GB means that ond standard XB1/PS4 can be instaled only 4 games, digital or disk (beacues they need to be instaled in order to be played). If developers wants they can easily put 120GB game on 64GB SD card.

 

DonFerrari said:
GoOnKid said:

This would make NO sense because they would kill their winning product and replace it with smething else while remaining it's underperforming console.

I assume you would accept it as a hybrid if the trailer showed the Switch half the time in the dock and half the tme outside. Is that right? But the trailer showed it in the dock, and that's okay. What else should they have shown 1 more minute? More people playing it at home? HOw would that make a difference? The trailer rather showed a) it's use as a home console, b) that you can take it out and play wherever you want, and c) that the controllers are detachable. C mostly makes sense when it's outside of the dock. So the trailer is completely fine.

Every time a generation change you start from 0 sales. So I don't know what you are trying to imply. What I'm saying is that they are focusing more on the HH aspect of the machine because there is were they have better chances.

I would accept it as hybrid if the dock had any relevant function. But it only does anything, so for me it's just a HH that you hook to your television, and the worse part is that you lose the screen when docked while they could just have it transmit the data to the TV and it working as mirror screen. The most we can guess from the dock is that it may cool and give more energy so the chip would increase it's perfomance, still, everything needed for it to work are really inside the HH part.

The point about the trailer is that it really showed it working as HH even if their PR says otherwise (perhaps showing more it's capabilities as home console would help... but when the games seemed just equal on both stances it doesn't help nintendo claim).

Miyamotoo said:

Wii U is dead for them, they almost didn't mention at all, only Zelda left for Wii U, but 3DS is still selling and still has games, that's why they still mention 3DS and make comparison to Switch.

Yes, that is why they pretend this isn't 3DS successor so they can still sell hw.

Yes, but its not only 3DS successor, its Wii Us also.



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Xen said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Why? It plays Nintendo games. Do you like Nintendo games and want to play them? If yes, get a Switch. If no, don't. Is money an issue? Wait for a price drop.

Why does the form factor matter in the least? Apart from Nintendo fans making themselves martyrs and Nintendo detractors twisting the knife?

What else does it play? What support will it get? Will 3DS support migrate in a big way? Is it geared for one market, another, or both? It's very important to communicate that in order to start building up hype among gamers, and giving clear targets for devs.

If the only thing it's gonna do is "play Nintendo games", then its fate is much closer to the Wii U than the 3DS. It is not enough for mass market success.

And all of that hinges on whether we call it a console or a handheld?



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Xen said:

What else does it play? What support will it get? Will 3DS support migrate in a big way? Is it geared for one market, another, or both? It's very important to communicate that in order to start building up hype among gamers, and giving clear targets for devs.

If the only thing it's gonna do is "play Nintendo games", then its fate is much closer to the Wii U than the 3DS. It is not enough for mass market success.

And all of that hinges on whether we call it a console or a handheld?

Other way around. The whole debate exists because there is so much uncertainty around which it really is.



Xen said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

And all of that hinges on whether we call it a console or a handheld?

Other way around. The whole debate exists because there is so much uncertainty around which it really is.

You saw the commercial right? It shows what the Switch does. The hook is in the name. Everyone knows what it is. We don't know battery life or library or resolution but we know what the system does. Why would labeling it "console" or "handheld" change anything? If I called Switch a "baked potato" would it suddenly gain or lose third-party support? Would it miraculously grow a second screen?



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Xen said:

Other way around. The whole debate exists because there is so much uncertainty around which it really is.

You saw the commercial right? It shows what the Switch does. The hook is in the name. Everyone knows what it is. We don't know battery life or library or resolution but we know what the system does. Why would labeling it "console" or "handheld" change anything? If I called Switch a "baked potato" would it suddenly gain or lose third-party support? Would it miraculously grow a second screen? Does a great game running in the dock turn to crap once undocked?

Problems:

We don't know battery life. (and from rumors, so far, it will be mediocre and below).

We don't know exact specs (got only rumors).

The concept is perfectly clear. Something that is supposed to do both things. The problem lies in communicating everything that is NOT the concept - and I am thinking that this is a part of a bigger problem in functional (read: target market, specifications, support) communication.

Nintendo fans are perfectly excited about it - don't see why they wouldn't be. But all of this, including the iffy statements from western third parties so far is bad for system hype, word of mouth, etc. Nintendo needs to rectify that.

Sony communicated the PS4 at reveal time perfectly. Hype built up, turned to preorders, and look where it is now. This is less "what we call it" and more "clear message". Look at the bigger picture.



spemanig said:
That's not how I read that at all. He's saying that he's confident people won't mistake Switch for a 3DS successor, because it isn't. It's a portable home console. Nintendo's official statement on the matter is that it's a home gaming system. One that is portable.

I simply disagree. This is most definitely a 3DS successor. If this is a home console, where is the home console portion? There is a glorified video out case, but the honest reality is that this is a hand held that can be hooked to a television. Fuck the fact that it uses moile technology torun the console.

 

There is nothing wrong with this since I believe Nintendo is really going somewhere with their next home console. When Nintendo released DS, they said they were not killing off Game Boy and that DS was not the Game Boy replacement; rather, it was the third pillar. But, who were they fooling? Only the most dedicate sheep were fooled into believing that lie and now only that same equivalent would be fooled here. The DS line did replace the Game Boy line and I believe this line will replace the DS line.



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