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your mother on 22 May 2007
Blue3 said:
nathantay said:


no game will ever come close to using 50gb much less 30gb that hddvd gives you.



Kojima has already said he NEEDS a 50gig Br disk for MGS4, and even that might not be enouth.

SE needs Br space for FF13

ND needs BR for Uncharted

they only happen to be the best developers in the world , but sure dude sure. You know better.

Somehow I highly doubt that they are the best developers - among the best, yeah, but THE best?

Anyhow, nathantay, as I stated about two posts up, even Blu-Ray/HD-DVD are just stopgap solutions to ever-increasing storage needs. In no time, and I bet within this generation, we will all be playing games on multiple Blu-Ray/HD-DVD games.

You can never have enough storage space!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Hard_drive_capacity_over_time.png 

 



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ihira on 22 May 2007

I knew this thread would lure the PS3 dudes and create a maelstrom of hate posts...this is just the exact same history of Hus and Washimul. cmon get a bit more civil.



crappy old school NES games are more entertaining than next-gen games.

nathantay on 22 May 2007
kber81 said:
nathantay said:

It gives you the same picture and sound quality so how is hddvd inferior. Last time I checked hddvd has over 200 titles in the U.S. only about 30 behind bluray so how does it not have support in Hollywood.


It's all about space. Only one major studio support HDDVD exclusively - Universal Pictures - this is 6.5% not so impressive.

Sony-Columbia alone has 22.8 % marketshare. Add Fox, Buena Vista etc. the difference is huge.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/
8 hours of high defenition video and sound on a 30b hddvd is enough space. Pretty much every studio supports hddvd except the ones you mentioned so it has plenty of support. Lets not forget that you can import from other countries some of the movies from the bluray exclusive companies on hddvd.

 



         

nathantay on 22 May 2007
Blue3 said:
nathantay said:


 no game will ever come close to using 50gb much less 30gb that hddvd gives you.



 Kojima has already said he NEEDS a 50gig Br disk for MGS4, and even that might not be enouth.

SE needs Br space for FF13

ND needs BR for Uncharted

they only happen to be the best developers in the world , but sure dude sure.  You know better. 

Are you telling me that Bethesda the company that made that massive game Elders Scroll Oblivion can fit it on a dvd, but Kojima needs 50gb for a MGS4. They can't be that good of developers then. I'm sure that he needs more space than a dvd can give but I don't think he needs 50gb of space maybe 15gb or 20gb maybe.

 



         

kber81 on 22 May 2007
nathantay said:
8 hours of high defenition video and sound on a 30b hddvd is enough space. Pretty much every studio supports hddvd except the ones you mentioned so it has plenty of support. Lets not forget that you can import from other countries some of the movies from the bluray exclusive companies on hddvd.

 


Ok, here I go again. No, it's not enough. First - Most of HDDVD movies are sets (1 HDVD movie + 1 DVD added material such as backstage, making of etc.) so obviously it's not enough. Second and most important - Hollywood support:

Exclusively Blu-Ray - Columbia (22.8%) + MGM (2,4%) + Disney (BV) (11,4%) + Lionsgate (2,1%) + Fox (8,4%) = 47,1 %

Exclusively HD-DVD - Universal (6,5%) + Weinstein (below 1%) = 7,5%

Both formats: Paramount, DreamWorks, New Line Cinema, Warner Bros.

Sorry, but these numbers speaks for itself.

Edit: Regards region-free feature. It's a nice addition but we are talking about standard for mass market. Most people just go the the market and buy a movie... 



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nathantay on 22 May 2007
Blue3 said:
nathantay said:


 no game will ever come close to using 50gb much less 30gb that hddvd gives you.



 Kojima has already said he NEEDS a 50gig Br disk for MGS4, and even that might not be enouth.

SE needs Br space for FF13

ND needs BR for Uncharted

they only happen to be the best developers in the world , but sure dude sure.  You know better. 

 



         

nathantay on 22 May 2007
kber81 said:
nathantay said:
8 hours of high defenition video and sound on a 30b hddvd is enough space. Pretty much every studio supports hddvd except the ones you mentioned so it has plenty of support. Lets not forget that you can import from other countries some of the movies from the bluray exclusive companies on hddvd.

 


Ok, here I go again. No, it's not enough. First - Most of HDDVD movies are sets (1 HDVD movie + 1 DVD added material such as backstage, making of etc.) so obviously it's not enough. Second and most important - Hollywood support:

Exclusively Blu-Ray - Columbia (22.8%) + MGM (2,4%) + Disney (BV) (11,4%) + Lionsgate (2,1%) + Fox (8,4%) = 47,1 %

Exclusively HD-DVD - Universal (6,5%) + Weinstein (below 1%) = 7,5%

Both formats: Paramount, DreamWorks, New Line Cinema, Warner Bros.

Sorry, but these numbers speaks for itself.

Edit: Regards region-free feature. It's a nice addition but we are talking about standard for mass market. Most people just go the the market and buy a movie... 


Most bluray titles are the same 1 Hd movie + 1 dvd added material, heck alot of bluray movies are missing some or all the dvd added material. Most movies are around 2 hours so that leaves around 6 hours for added material on hddvd most dvds don't even have that many added features so why do you need more. 47.1% exclusive to bluray right now so that means 52.9% supports hddvd then. Obviously thats enough for now because they have around 45% of the market which is more than enough for hddvd to continue on.



         

kber81 on 22 May 2007
nathantay said:

Most bluray titles are the same 1 Hd movie + 1 dvd added material, heck alot of bluray movies are missing some or all the dvd added material. Most movies are around 2 hours so that leaves around 6 hours for added material on hddvd most dvds don't even have that many added features so why do you need more. 47.1% exclusive to bluray right now so that means 52.9% supports hddvd then. Obviously thats enough for now because they have around 45% of the market which is more than enough for hddvd to continue on.


Most bluray titles are sets? Sorry, you are wrong. Few titles like Pirates I and II, it's a minority. Please stop with this 8 hours stuff. What about multilanguage soundtrack etc... It just doesn't work way you think. If you are satisfied with 52,9% support... I have no arguments. I think ability to watch 92,5% of movies is better though. Especially when most blockbusters come from Blu-Ray camp. It looks like you are pretty close-minded regards this matter. Have you bought a standalone HDDVD player?



your mother on 22 May 2007
kber81 said:
nathantay said:

Most bluray titles are the same 1 Hd movie + 1 dvd added material, heck alot of bluray movies are missing some or all the dvd added material. Most movies are around 2 hours so that leaves around 6 hours for added material on hddvd most dvds don't even have that many added features so why do you need more. 47.1% exclusive to bluray right now so that means 52.9% supports hddvd then. Obviously thats enough for now because they have around 45% of the market which is more than enough for hddvd to continue on.


Most bluray titles are sets? Sorry, you are wrong. Few titles like Pirates I and II, it's a minority. Please stop with this 8 hours stuff. What about multilanguage soundtrack etc... It just doesn't work way you think. If you are satisfied with 52,9% support... I have no arguments. I think ability to watch 92,5% of movies is better though. Especially when most blockbusters come from Blu-Ray camp. It looks like you are pretty close-minded regards this matter. Have you bought a standalone HDDVD player?


In all honesty, I think those claiming victory one way or another are being close-minded.

What is the marketshare of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD combined?

If it isn't anywhere close to half that of DVDs, no war has been won yet. Far from it.

This "war" can take a while to pan out. It can swing in different ways:

- one format dominates all others 

- both formats survive

- both are superceded by a new media format

- all formats are supplanted by online distribution

In any case, the war is far from over, as it has hardly even begun!

You guys are arguing over the size of pebbles when there is a giant boulder in the guise of DVD that still has to be whittled down to size.



Shinigamikrunkk on 22 May 2007

When I walk in a random shop here in Holland there are 3 times more Blu-ray DVDs then HD-DVD.