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Azuren said:
bunchanumbers said:

I lived in Iowa. Being the first state to vote, its always ugly. Every waking second of your life is filled with political advertisements. Even work is filled with political arguments.

I live in Texas, where my vote is automatically red. Be thankful you can actually make a difference. 

Not really. You're a petri dish. People shove their agendas down your throat on a daily basis. People tell you how to think, how to act, how to feel. They try to take your opinion away and make it theirs.



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bunchanumbers said:
Azuren said:

I live in Texas, where my vote is automatically red. Be thankful you can actually make a difference. 

Not really. You're a petri dish. People shove their agendas down your throat on a daily basis. People tell you how to think, how to act, how to feel. They try to take your opinion away and make it theirs.

It's the same here, except instead of red and blue, it's almost exclusively red. There are conversations here from respected individuals (clergy, officials, etc) who believe Trump is the best thing that could have ever happened to America. 



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Just like with Trump talking to a reporter on a bus in private when the mic is supposedly turned off?



Wiibaron said:

Just like with Trump talking to a reporter on a bus in private when the mic is supposedly turned off?

Exactly like that, which is why we desperately need a mulligan. 



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Azuren said:
Soundwave said:

To be honest I don't think a candidate should be in charge of their freaking online security. The United States should have people who take care of that. I'm voting for people on the basis of their policy positions and political experience, not whether or not they can set up a freaking email server. 

Yes she's a 65 year old woman who had a problem with email servers. That doesn't mean we should have Donald fucking Trump running the country for 4 years.

If you are a Bernie Sanders supporter, why would you support a candidate that politically against virtually every position Sanders stands for? I will never for the life of me understand this logic. Yes, Hilary is not a personality that gives me the warm and fuzzies. But politically she's 1000000x closer to Sanders than Trump is. 

Neither candidate is close to Sanders, stop downplaying her getting away with a felony, and quit pretending that she's not just as much of a monster as Trump. 

She's not as much a monster as Trump, though. Also, she's closer to Sanders than Trump is which is why Sanders publicly endorsed her after ending his own race. No matter how much you hate her or what you say, if Sanders himself will stand by his rival in order to get people to vote AGAINST Trump, than his platform very likely (relatively) has a lot more in common with the person he's endorsing...



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danasider said:
Azuren said:

Neither candidate is close to Sanders, stop downplaying her getting away with a felony, and quit pretending that she's not just as much of a monster as Trump. 

She's not as much a monster as Trump, though. Also, she's closer to Sanders than Trump is which is why Sanders publicly endorsed her after ending his own race. No matter how much you hate her or what you say, if Sanders himself will stand by his rival in order to get people to vote AGAINST Trump, than his platform very likely (relatively) has a lot more in common with the person he's endorsing...

Sanders was purchased, or else he would have endorsed no one. 

 

And no, they're both equally awful candidates. In the past, I've always been able to root for someone... But this election is just the worst. 



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avrwc2 said:

I believe that most of us are going to vote 'the lesser evil' and it's sad.

I probably disagree with Trump 80% of the time but I'm old enogh to have lived through the Clintons' previous 8 years of uninterrupted scandals, corruption and 24/7 spin and I am afraid that Hillary, out of incompetence and stupidty is going to drag us into something terrible such as a hot war with Russia and/or China. At BEST, she will just keep going with the corrupt, disfunctional order that BJ Clinton, DoubleCrap Bush and peace-loving O'Bomba have presided over.

Trump may a terrible person but he's less likely to start a big war and I don't believe he is a 100% sellout to Wall Street and the rich and powerful the way the Clintons are. So he's the lesser evil to me.

These claims surprise me, specifically the idea that Trump is less likely to start a big war and that he's not a sellout.

The guy has no tact and his attitude towards Mexico and the middle east hasn't exactly won him fans on the public relations and foreign affair fronts. Well, except for the hatemonger groups that have been known to spread hate/violence in his name on social media and at his rallies. Meanwhile, there have been several cases where he's failed to completely denounce their actions or platforms of hate just to get a vote. He's even publicly supported some of these hatemongers in one shape or form. Like retweeting a nazi sympathizing white supremacist. Trump also claimed his campaign had "fighting spirit" when asked about a situation where his campaign manager had put his hands on a protester. Despite denouncing violence, he's bred this climate of hate, because he's continually sidestepped the issue of violence at his rallies, meanwhile blaming the protesters, victims of the violence in most cases, and calling them "agitators".

Sure, there has been violence on both sides of the coin, but when protesters (many of which were Clinton supporters) acted in violence at a Trump rally, Clinton was quick and clear in her absolute condemnation of that incident. She stated that no campaign supporter of either side should be assaulted, and there was no room for that in the campaign. Period.

I am not taking a stance on either the middle east or Mexico (or China for that matter), but the fact that Trump has no filter with regards to allied countries (last I checked Mexico was an ally) worries me greatly. He's not diplomatic in his approach at all, and I could see that big mouth of his making a lot of enemies. Well, even more than he has already...and he's not even president, yet. Well, he really has no political experience at all.

As for him not being a complete sellout, yeah you got me there...because he's the buyer. I also take back him not having political experience at all. What little he has has been mired in scandal. In the first major republican debate, he stated that Washington is corrupt, and almost all of the opponents at that debate have received campaign donations from him in exchange for political favors. He literally used himself in an example of bribery to make the point that the current political scene is a 'broken system'. Trump referring to the system as broken with regards to what he's gotten away with shows that he knows/knew the shady back alley deals he's been a part of are wrong...or at least not ethical. Do you believe that he will be the portrait of decency once he's crosses the fence from businessman to politician? If he's admitted to scamming the system already, I am more inclined to believe he will stand on a platform that uses the system for his own ambitions based off precedence, alone. He has not been an honest man in business and has admitted to it at a flippin' debate on national television!

That's not taking into account the hundreds of documented claims of him allegedly shortchanging contractors and people who worked for his companies or completely avoiding to pay them at all. It's not even taking into account his companies' four bankruptcies, his reliance on foreign labor, or his general schrewdness towards opponents in that sphere, be they big or small. It's not taking into account that he won't release his tax records, because the few years they were released for some licenses he needed, it was revealed that he paid zero. Sure, that's smart. I'd do it if I were him, too. Again, there's nothing inherently wrong with legally benefiting from legislation and tax codes that are already in place. I don't condemn his action of taking legal advantages. However, what does it say about someone who has a patented history of using whatever loopholes, legal or otherwise, are at his disposal in order to min/max his way into bigger profits? His entire career has been filled with a series of shady deals and win/lose scenarios all in order to become more rich. I imagine if he wins office, he'd have more power to scam the system and implement legislation that might further big business all while potentially hurting the middle class, because he's done it all his life.

And you think he's the lesser of two evils for those two reasons? For real? Not trying to bash you or anything because you're welcome to your opinion, but I am really curious what arguments you've formulated in your head to come to these conclusions. Public opinion? Because Hillary used a private server for emails? Conspiracy theories? I just don't get it.



Wiibaron said:

Just like with Drumpf talking to a reporter on a bus in private when the mic is supposedly turned off?

Sort of like that... except for the part where Hillary didn't say anything wrong (or interesting for that matter) and Trump bragged about sexual assault.  Other than that though, totally the same thing.



silvergunner said:
All these damage control threads by Trump supporters are unintentially hilarious.

Just because someone doesn't praise praise and listen to everything Hillary says 100% doesn't mean they are automatically a Trump supporter.

If that's the type of logic you're going to use then that says more about you than anything else. 



everything she said was a lie? so Hillary is not her name, she is not married to Bill Clinton, she is not a woman and she is not running for president - and she actually wants Trump to become president?
that's too much to take in at once ..