Pac/Neville has passed away at age 40. Just had a great match with El Idolo last night. No reason given why yet. Very sudden.
Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

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Pac/Neville has passed away at age 40. Just had a great match with El Idolo last night. No reason given why yet. Very sudden.



Just watched all out too...
Insane.
Found out after watching the match but knew during his appearance in the main event.
Too many performers dying young. Rest in peace Pac.


WWE fucked with Pac's Visa in 2019 and now they are counter programming the mans tribute show. Absolute scum company.

The Pac tribute on Dynamite last night was beautiful. AEW truly is great at these kind of shows, sad as that may be to say.
Still hard to believe he is gone. The man had a damn good match with Andrade one night and was gone the next. It honestly looked like they might have been heading to a rematch, or at least a Blood and Guts appearance. Some thought he was possibly going to kick Mox out of the Death Riders and take over. Hell, I know a lot of people wanted to see Pac vs. Dragunov which now sadly can't happen. Seemed like he had so many possible things ahead of him.
The counter programming just seemed vile and scummy. Absolutely no reason to not move a YouTube show to another day or time. That genuinely bothered me so much.
| No_Name_Needed said: The Pac tribute on Dynamite last night was beautiful. AEW truly is great at these kind of shows, sad as that may be to say. |
But... it's a youtube show @_@... that wasn't live @_@...
Pretty sure anyone who wanted to watch the Pac tribute watched the Pac tribute. People who wanted to watch both watched both at different times, presumably watching the tribute first. Genuinely don't see the issue here.


If you really can't see the issue of them trying to counter program twice and fucked with the mans visa. I'm sorry then you're just dumb.
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JWeinCom said:
But... it's a youtube show @_@... that wasn't live @_@... Pretty sure anyone who wanted to watch the Pac tribute watched the Pac tribute. People who wanted to watch both watched both at different times, presumably watching the tribute first. Genuinely don't see the issue here. |
Sir if you can't see the issue, I don't know what to say. When The Worlds Collide air time was first announced, I just shrugged it off as WWE counter programming AEW again. What can you do. But when Pac passed and the Dynamite episode became a tribute, counter booking should have gone out the window, at least to show some class and respect for a guy who also use to work for you.
If reports are to be believed, even people within the WWE thought Worlds Collide should be moved. When you have your own people believe a show should be moved, that says something.
Just moving the show a few hours to not go head to head would have worked, and since it was on YouTube, it likely would have been easy to do so unlike on network or cable TV. Just out of respect, move the show. I genuinely don't see the issue with doing that.
| Leynos said: If you really can't see the issue of them trying to counter program twice and fucked with the mans visa. I'm sorry then you're just dumb. |
Nah. I'm actually really smart. Smart enough to know that when people have an actual reason they give that instead of resorting to insults.
As for the Visa issue I did not say anything about that and have no idea what you are referring to. Don't really know how wwe can fuck with a visa beyond saying "this guy doesnt work for us anymore" which would be a legal requirement. Feel free to post something from a good source describing the issue and I'll be happy to share my opinion.
No_Name_Needed said:
Sir if you can't see the issue, I don't know what to say. When The Worlds Collide air time was first announced, I just shrugged it off as WWE counter programming AEW again. What can you do. But when Pac passed and the Dynamite episode became a tribute, counter booking should have gone out the window, at least to show some class and respect for a guy who also use to work for you. If reports are to be believed, even people within the WWE thought Worlds Collide should be moved. When you have your own people believe a show should be moved, that says something. Just moving the show a few hours to not go head to head would have worked, and since it was on YouTube, it likely would have been easy to do so unlike on network or cable TV. Just out of respect, move the show. I genuinely don't see the issue with doing that. |
If I can't see the issue, what you should say is what the issue is.
No, reports are not to be believed. Is something true just because someone said it? Can you provide a source? Is it Meltzer? I bet its Meltzer.
Again, I don't think anyone who wanted to watch the Pac show did not because a taped WWE show had been uploaded to youtube an hour before. People could watch it whenever they wanted. It was not going to take people away from the tribute show, and no reasonable person at WWE, or anywhere else, would have expected it to. So, I don't see how it was disrespectful.
So who was hurt by this decision? Who would have benefited if they had moved the show? If this caused an actual problem you should be able to very easily answer at least one of those questions.
JWeinCom said:
Nah. I'm actually really smart. Smart enough to know that when people have an actual reason they give that instead of resorting to insults. As for the Visa issue I did not say anything about that and have no idea what you are referring to. Don't really know how wwe can fuck with a visa beyond saying "this guy doesnt work for us anymore" which would be a legal requirement. Feel free to post something from a good source describing the issue and I'll be happy to share my opinion.
If I can't see the issue, what you should say is what the issue is. No, reports are not to be believed. Is something true just because someone said it? Can you provide a source? Is it Meltzer? I bet its Meltzer. Again, I don't think anyone who wanted to watch the Pac show did not because a taped WWE show had been uploaded to youtube an hour before. People could watch it whenever they wanted. It was not going to take people away from the tribute show, and no reasonable person at WWE, or anywhere else, would have expected it to. So, I don't see how it was disrespectful. |
Where in my post did I ever say anyone was hurt by this decision. I said I felt it was classless and vile to air at the same time as tribute show, and I (key being I) still stand by that. It is my opinion and last time I checked I have the right to it.
The World Collides show air time was announced before Pac died and like I said I shrugged it off as more counter booking by WWE. However after Pac died I (again I as in my opinion) felt out of respect (which I mentioned in my last post) the least they could do was move it. I never mentioned the move benefiting anyone as well, so why even bring something like that up. Although from an optics stand point it would at least make the WWE look good to move it.
And I never said the reports were true, that is why I said "if reports are to be believed," meaning I don't know if they are true or not regardless of who wrote them. If you don't like or believe Meltzer, that is your problem not mine. Again, I made a point to say "if reports are to be believed" for a reason. Learn to read.
I know this is a forum for discussions, but if you don't like my comments or opinions, don't respond. My comments were opinions nothing more, I never claimed anyone was hurt by the decision to air opposite the tribute, only that it bothered me personally as it was a tribute to a wrestler that worked in WWE in the past. I expressed my issue with the situation, MY ISSUE. If you can't see my issue with it, so be it.
You seem to love to argue and prove people wrong, but my comments were opinions, my personal feelings and not statements of facts. Like I said I never claimed the reports of people within WWE feeling it should be moved were true. But if they were, then in my opinion that would be a good reason to move the World Collide start time, among other reasons.
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Where in my post did I ever say anyone was hurt by this decision. I said I felt it was classless and vile to air at the same time as tribute show, and I (key being I) still stand by that. It is my opinion and last time I checked I have the right to it. The World Collides show air time was announced before Pac died and like I said I shrugged it off as more counter booking by WWE. However after Pac died I (again I as in my opinion) felt out of respect (which I mentioned in my last post) the least they could do was move it. I never mentioned the move benefiting anyone as well, so why even bring something like that up. Although from an optics stand point it would at least make the WWE look good to move it. And I never said the reports were true, that is why I said "if reports are to be believed," meaning I don't know if they are true or not regardless of who wrote them. If you don't like or believe Meltzer, that is your problem not mine. Again, I made a point to say "if reports are to be believed" for a reason. Learn to read. I know this is a forum for discussions, but if you don't like my comments or opinions, don't respond. My comments were opinions nothing more, I never claimed anyone was hurt by the decision to air opposite the tribute, only that it bothered me personally as it was a tribute to a wrestler that worked in WWE in the past. I expressed my issue with the situation, MY ISSUE. If you can't see my issue with it, so be it. You seem to love to argue and prove people wrong, but my comments were opinions, my personal feelings and not statements of facts. Like I said I never claimed the reports of people within WWE feeling it should be moved were true. But if they were, then in my opinion that would be a good reason to move the World Collide start time, among other reasons. |
Ok. If you are not saying the reports have validity then why bring them up @_@...
You have the right to your opinion. But your opinion is that while what WWE did something that did not harm anyone in any way it was still vile and classless. I am free to say that's really weird dude.
I do in fact enjoy aruing and proving people wrong. Literally made a career out of it. Don't see the problem if I'm doing so in a respectful manner, which I think I've done. But whether or not to engage further is totally on you. I'm not going to track you down and demand you explain yourserlf, but if you reply to me, I may reply back.