By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - PS4 Pro’s Price Puts Microsoft In A Hole With The Scorpio

Uabit said:
Scorpio's hardware will put pro in a hole.

Pc already  doing  that with every console. 

 

Soo which games will Scorpio  have thats going  to put hopefully ff7 remake and god of war in a hole?



 

My youtube gaming page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/klaudkil

Around the Network
thismeintiel said:
GribbleGrunger said:

I'm not keen on Gamingbolt but it's what Patcher is saying that matters here. I think he's right and regardless of whether the chipsets get cheaper by the end of next year, MS will likely have to take a loss on the Scorpio, something I have a feeling won't go down well across the company.

Haven't you heard? The Scorpio will now be a 8-10 Tflops GPU+a high end CPU+12GB of RAM AND still launch at $399.  Well, some Xbox fans would have you believe that. 

Seriously, though, the $399 launch price is great.  I think that's what Sony is going to aiming at from now on.  Which brings us to what is really going to hurt the Scorpio, the PS5.  Yes, the Pro is going to be what it's competing with for a year or so, and it has a year headstart, but launching so late in the gen means that the PS5 is just around the corner.  MS will only be able to boast about the power for a year or so, until the PS5 is announced and literally blows it out of the water on all fronts.  CPU, GPU, and RAM, all for $399.

I also think the Scorpio is going to launch for $499. MS has already made statements about how the GPU is as expensive as the PS3 at launch.  Sure, that's a bunch of BS, but I think that's just their way of getting people prepped for a higher pricepoint.  Even if it's $449 at launch, Sony only has to drop the Pro to $349 to keep the price difference large enough to justify the lower power.

Don't be surprised if this console generation is extended and the Playstation 5 is years away.

The hardware in the mainstream/mid-range to make the "next generation" consoles a feasible upgrade will likely not exist in a few years time.

Heck, the Playstatiuon 4 Pro wasn't even a 3x increase in GPU power over the Playstation 4 and it released 3 years ago and that ignores the minor increase in CPU speed and the zero increase in RAM capacity. - And you expect something with 8x-10x the power of that to drop in a couple years time? Not happening, champ, the law of Physics and your wallet says no.




www.youtube.com/@Pemalite

Pemalite said:
thismeintiel said:

Haven't you heard? The Scorpio will now be a 8-10 Tflops GPU+a high end CPU+12GB of RAM AND still launch at $399.  Well, some Xbox fans would have you believe that. 

Seriously, though, the $399 launch price is great.  I think that's what Sony is going to aiming at from now on.  Which brings us to what is really going to hurt the Scorpio, the PS5.  Yes, the Pro is going to be what it's competing with for a year or so, and it has a year headstart, but launching so late in the gen means that the PS5 is just around the corner.  MS will only be able to boast about the power for a year or so, until the PS5 is announced and literally blows it out of the water on all fronts.  CPU, GPU, and RAM, all for $399.

I also think the Scorpio is going to launch for $499. MS has already made statements about how the GPU is as expensive as the PS3 at launch.  Sure, that's a bunch of BS, but I think that's just their way of getting people prepped for a higher pricepoint.  Even if it's $449 at launch, Sony only has to drop the Pro to $349 to keep the price difference large enough to justify the lower power.

Don't be surprised if this console generation is extended and the Playstation 5 is years away.

The hardware in the mainstream/mid-range to make the "next generation" consoles a feasible upgrade will likely not exist in a few years time.

Heck, the Playstatiuon 4 Pro wasn't even a 3x increase in GPU power over the Playstation 4 and it released 3 years ago and that ignores the minor increase in CPU speed and the zero increase in RAM capacity. - And you expect something with 8x-10x the power of that to drop in a couple years time? Not happening, champ, the law of Physics and your wallet says no.

The laws of hardware manufacturing and capability alone means this generation will be obnoxiously long, it has already ended or if Sony release the PS5 in less than five years, that Scorpio will incinerate it, then build up along the line and incinerate the PS4. 

We're playing a waiting game and the winner is the guy who can wait the longest. If after Scorpio is out, Sony can't pull the PS5 out in less than 5 years or they do but the hike is no longer good enough (there's a reason they choose 6 TF. There's literally no advantage beyond there unless you find a way to develop a 13 TF machine and do so at a decent price). Even if Sony decided to use two GPUs, the price would skyrocket. If not, anything below the price line needed to sell will not lead to true 4K gaming and upscaling from higher resolutions starts becoming problematic afterwards. Given enough bandwidth, graphical fidelity and capabilities will not be limited either. 

Not to mention I don't recall mention of the price point of the Scorpio, but I know the GPU is just a more powerful variant of what the Pro might be using, so if there's a price disparity, odds are, it won't be the GPU that causes it. 

Now, if somehow Intel is part of the deal (unlikely) then Sony can dig their own graves. You just don't mess with Intel and live to tell the tale. 



Why would people buy Scorpio in 2017 when they could wait 2 years and buy the much more powerful real next gen PS5 (using the next die reduction? most probably 10nm or maybe even 7nm) and still play Playstation Exclusives?



I thought a stunning exclusive lineup and double as many fans already did that.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

Around the Network
Pemalite said:
thismeintiel said:

Haven't you heard? The Scorpio will now be a 8-10 Tflops GPU+a high end CPU+12GB of RAM AND still launch at $399.  Well, some Xbox fans would have you believe that. 

Seriously, though, the $399 launch price is great.  I think that's what Sony is going to aiming at from now on.  Which brings us to what is really going to hurt the Scorpio, the PS5.  Yes, the Pro is going to be what it's competing with for a year or so, and it has a year headstart, but launching so late in the gen means that the PS5 is just around the corner.  MS will only be able to boast about the power for a year or so, until the PS5 is announced and literally blows it out of the water on all fronts.  CPU, GPU, and RAM, all for $399.

I also think the Scorpio is going to launch for $499. MS has already made statements about how the GPU is as expensive as the PS3 at launch.  Sure, that's a bunch of BS, but I think that's just their way of getting people prepped for a higher pricepoint.  Even if it's $449 at launch, Sony only has to drop the Pro to $349 to keep the price difference large enough to justify the lower power.

Don't be surprised if this console generation is extended and the Playstation 5 is years away.

The hardware in the mainstream/mid-range to make the "next generation" consoles a feasible upgrade will likely not exist in a few years time.

Heck, the Playstatiuon 4 Pro wasn't even a 3x increase in GPU power over the Playstation 4 and it released 3 years ago and that ignores the minor increase in CPU speed and the zero increase in RAM capacity. - And you expect something with 8x-10x the power of that to drop in a couple years time? Not happening, champ, the law of Physics and your wallet says no.

Why the hyperbole?  8x-10x?  Who's expecting that?  I'm guessing the PS5 will be 10-15 Tflops. That's only 2.5x-3.5x the Pro. AMD has a GPU that you can get for less than $400, now, that puts out ~9 Tflops.  By next year, it'll probably be ~$300, which is $50-$100 more than what Sony would pay for it.  Their top of the line GPU is 16+ Tflops.  Granted it's $1500, but that price will be dropping incredibly in the next 2-3 years. Of course, I doubt the PS4 will be that powerful and I have no doubt AMD is working closely with Sony on something more like the RX480, affordable out of the gate and powerful, for the PS5.

And of course the Pro isn't that big an increase.  It's aiming to be a mid-gen upgrade, not a new console.  Not only is it weaker to keep costs down, but I'm also sure Sony wants there to be an even larger difference between it and the PS5.  Of course, the PS5 will also have a much better CPU and more RAM.



Gotta love it when Scorpio,"the most powerful console ever"(next gen console that is part of the X1 family), is in the same sentence as the weak PS4 Pro, the mid gen console.



Uabit said:
Scorpio's hardware will put pro in a hole.

Probably.... you just have wait 1 year, and pay 100-150$ extra.

Not everyone is gonna wait or want to pay extra for it.

Meanwhile you could order a PS4 Pro, and soon enjoy more than 3 times the power and resolution of your "crappy" Xbox One.

I mean if you think the "jump" from a PS4 pro to Scorpio is big, the Jump from a Xbox One ---> PS4 Pro is much bigger.



thismeintiel said:
Pemalite said:

Don't be surprised if this console generation is extended and the Playstation 5 is years away.

The hardware in the mainstream/mid-range to make the "next generation" consoles a feasible upgrade will likely not exist in a few years time.

Heck, the Playstatiuon 4 Pro wasn't even a 3x increase in GPU power over the Playstation 4 and it released 3 years ago and that ignores the minor increase in CPU speed and the zero increase in RAM capacity. - And you expect something with 8x-10x the power of that to drop in a couple years time? Not happening, champ, the law of Physics and your wallet says no.

Why the hyperbole?  8x-10x?  Who's expecting that?  I'm guessing the PS5 will be 10-15 Tflops. That's only 2.5x-3.5x the Pro. AMD has a GPU that you can get for less than $400, now, that puts out ~9 Tflops.  By next year, it'll probably be ~$300, which is $50-$100 more than what Sony would pay for it.  Their top of the line GPU is 16+ Tflops.  Granted it's $1500, but that price will be dropping incredibly in the next 2-3 years. Of course, I doubt the PS4 will be that powerful and I have no doubt AMD is working closely with Sony on something more like the RX480, affordable out of the gate and powerful, for the PS5.

And of course the Pro isn't that big an increase.  It's aiming to be a mid-gen upgrade, not a new console.  Not only is it weaker to keep costs down, but I'm also sure Sony wants there to be an even larger difference between it and the PS5.  Of course, the PS5 will also have a much better CPU and more RAM.

Ignoring the Blatant abuse of flops... That is also highly inaccurate anyway. (Do you even know what Flops are? And how they even relate to graphics?)
If you think the PS5 at that level is going to be a significant upgrade over the PS4 Pro, then you are kidding yourself, who want's to spend another $400+ on a SUPPOSEDLY next-gen machine where the increase in graphical fidelity is marginal at best?

Also an AMD's GPU isn't representative of the chips inside the consoles, not from a cost perspective.
It's not partnered up with a CPU, it has less cache, it's memory controller isn't shared, it has it's own dedicated PCB, power delivery system, exotic cooling mechanisms, dedicated memory. etc'.

Fact of the matter is, GPU's will be stuck at 16nm/14nm for a few years, you are literally trying to argue against the laws of physics here and you will never win that argument, ever.

The Playstation 5 is not going to drop a year after Scorpio, the fabrication just isn't there yet, TSMC has even blown out it's 7nm line to 2018... And TSMC is NEVER on time with any node, so expect it to be even later than that.

Let's not forget that the PS4 was built with 28nm as it's limiter, the PS4 Pro was built at 16nm and yet there is still not a generational difference.




www.youtube.com/@Pemalite

Kinda off topic: will we have another graphic for pro/scorpio sales or they'll add them to PS4/Xone's current ones?