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onionberry on 10 September 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
onionberry said:

Impressed by a $200 gpu by amd and a 8 core mobile cpu? not a pc gamer. I'm impressed but not by the hardware, but because finally we have a console that can play all the games at native 1080p.

Its an amazing value for money at that price. And games aren't native 1080p, they are 1440p and 1600p which is upscaled to 4K.

still more than 900p of some games, and most people have 1080p tvs so it doesn't matter if the game is native 1440p. 1080p with stable framerate? yeah finally! this is the ps4 that I wanted. btw about the value, it's not that cheap either, You can buy that gpu for $200 and a cpu equivalent to the ps4 cpu is super cheap, and sony buys those parts cheaper. So let's say the price is just right.



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Normchacho on 10 September 2016
Chazore said:
Normchacho said:
The salt around anything positive said about the Pro is just silly.

This guy basically just said what digital foundry did. That the Pro looks and performs better than they were expecting it to, and that it compares favorably to PCs that are a good deal more expensive/powerful.

Nobody is saying there's no reason to own a gaming pc. Nobody is saying the Pro is this perfect machine.

Relax people.

"and that it compares favorably to PCs that are a good deal more expensive/powerful. "

What does that tell you though?. I mean being burtally hoenst here, if PC's are a good deal more expensive (lets toss in the 1k price park) and powerful but the Pro compares favorably to that high price and eprf then what is the actual point of getting a PC if it's very close to that level. We're already seeing 4k native vs 4k upscaled and people who haven't gamed at native going "I don't se the difference", what does that honestly tell you about the high end and high price part then?.

Also I wouldn't use salt, that's implying that anyone with ana rgument against the journo is somehow "salty" which could also be aiemd at me, if you want to call me salty then by all means say it to my face if you do.

If the only reason someone wanted to buy a PC was to play games on their 4K tv then sure. I think it could be argued that a PC is overkill when the Pro is available. But he even says in the article that if you're sitting closer you'll notice a difference between the Pro and a native 4K PC and even then there are a myriad of other reasons one may want a PC over the Pro. People seem to be taking this as an attack on PC gaming and it's not. 

 

"Salt" was the wrong word. Vitriol is really what I mean. 



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Normchacho on 10 September 2016
padib said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Sounds more reasonable than hating on it because no UHD drive.

Its amazingly powerful for its price while an XB1S is weaker than a normal PS4.

It sure is powerful, but the issue is still real. And people are complaining about it. When people complained about the DRM on X1 when it was first revealed, did you consider that hating?

So it's not because people are complaining that they are hating.

Those are not equal issues.



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GOWTLOZ on 10 September 2016
onionberry said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Its an amazing value for money at that price. And games aren't native 1080p, they are 1440p and 1600p which is upscaled to 4K.

still more than 900p of some games, and most people have 1080p tvs so it doesn't matter if the game is native 1440p. 1080p with stable framerate? yeah finally! this is the ps4 that I wanted. btw about the value, it's not that cheap either, You can buy that gpu for $200 and a cpu equivalent to the ps4 cpu is super cheap, and sony buys those parts cheaper. So let's say the price is just right.

Add the price of a PSU, motherboard, RAM and a gaming mouse and keyboard or a controller if that's what you use on PC and the price of a PC comes out significantly higher.



onionberry on 10 September 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
onionberry said:

still more than 900p of some games, and most people have 1080p tvs so it doesn't matter if the game is native 1440p. 1080p with stable framerate? yeah finally! this is the ps4 that I wanted. btw about the value, it's not that cheap either, You can buy that gpu for $200 and a cpu equivalent to the ps4 cpu is super cheap, and sony buys those parts cheaper. So let's say the price is just right.

Add the price of a PSU, motherboard, RAM and a gaming mouse and keyboard or a controller if that's what you use on PC and the price of a PC comes out significantly higher.

all those parts are so cheap that I can build a ps4 pro for the same price or $50 more, the point is, sony buys those parts cheaper. I think the value of the ps4 pro is just right.



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GOWTLOZ on 10 September 2016
onionberry said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Add the price of a PSU, motherboard, RAM and a gaming mouse and keyboard or a controller if that's what you use on PC and the price of a PC comes out significantly higher.

all those parts are so cheap that I can build a ps4 pro for the same price or $50 more, the point is, sony buys those parts cheaper. I think the value of the ps4 pro is just right.

It doesn't matter how cheap or expensive they were to Sony, only thing that matters is the value they offer to consumers. Else PS3 would have been the best console hardware ever made in terms of value.



onionberry on 10 September 2016
GOWTLOZ said:
onionberry said:

all those parts are so cheap that I can build a ps4 pro for the same price or $50 more, the point is, sony buys those parts cheaper. I think the value of the ps4 pro is just right.

It doesn't matter how cheap or expensive they were to Sony, only thing that matters is the value they offer to consumers. Else PS3 would have been the best console hardware ever made in terms of value.

that's whay I'm saying, as a consumer, I can build a ps4 for pro for the same price. obviously it's better to go and buy a ps4 pro, but it's not like the price is super cheap. You're paying for what you're getting.



Landguy on 10 September 2016

No matter what the apologists say here, the PS4pro should have had the UHD drive. I waited for this to be launched with that capability for my brand new 4k tv. I was going to buy a PS4 this spring when the Neo rumors went crazy and I decided to wait. Then the XB1s comes out with the UHD drive and I almost bought it. I have a launch XB1 and decided the XB1s was not worth the upgrade with the Neo coming out so I waited....

Now the PS4Pro doesn't include that feature? I need a UHD bluray player and the XB1s will be had for about the same price as a standalone UHD bluray player. Easy choice I guess...

Just dissappointed that I will have to wait for the PS4 exclusives a little longer....



It is near the end of the end....

Chazore on 10 September 2016
Normchacho said:

If the only reason someone wanted to buy a PC was to play games on their 4K tv then sure. I think it could be argued that a PC is overkill when the Pro is available. But he even says in the article that if you're sitting closer you'll notice a difference between the Pro and a native 4K PC and even then there are a myriad of other reasons one may want a PC over the Pro. People seem to be taking this as an attack on PC gaming and it's not. 

 

"Salt" was the wrong word. Vitriol is really what I mean. 

See that's the thing. When you say you want an overkill but the pro exists then really why buy a PC at all?. The arguments going back and forth from this reveal are pretty much boiling down to "pay a lot but you don't get much" or "pay £399 and get the same as an expensive build". 

I know PC has it's advantages but for the most part it's clearly not going to match at say £3-400, but going above that it would benefit, however now that the Pro was shown, we're seeing a lot of "yeah but price>anything a PC can do" rather than "high price, high worth", I'm not really seeing the latter being used in any of these threads when we compare a PC to the pro, all we are getting are really low end builds (which have no chance in hell and I don't even know why people do that) versus the pro and when we do high end suddenly the price becomes the issue and defeating point, especially when we try putting in the value of power you pay for.

I'm not really taking it as an attack, but I am noticing how near the end he slipped in the one positive point rather than a fair deal of PS4 pro points and then points for PC. (also he threw in the unneeded "Did Sony just upset the PC gaming crowd with the launch of its PS4 Pro?" as well as "Opinion: We explore whether Sony and AMD have just kicked PC gaming into the weeds with the PS4 Pro's impressive specifications" when you link the article in IM chats shows up in the preview).

Vitriol  sounds like a better choice.



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Xen on 10 September 2016

...not to mention that the PC built for comparison there can't even pull many games at 1080p because it only has two threads to work with.

Which makes the PS4P even nicer an offer :P