ICStats said:
I am, true. It's not black and white, nor did I say so. I did say "competitive value for some % of the market", not "all".
For the all-in-one package and everything you can do with a PC, the PC is miles better value. However laptop shipments have long surpassed desktop PC shipments. If you own a laptop then most non-gaming needs are met, and for most it means no GPU upgradability. That diminishes price advantages that getting another PC might have.
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I'm taking issue mostly with your statement of:
"PS4 Pro clearly is competitive as you can not build a PC comparable to PS4 for $399. "
You never elaborated or made any further distinctions on the pricing issues outside of that, hence you give the impression that the PC is inherently worst value for money when there is so much more to the cost of a platform than your outright hardware purchase.
In otherwords a full break down of costings is more representative than the simple plain figures you have used.
kinisking said:
Steam doesn't necessarily mean much though. I have a steam account and I'm not a PC player. Not only that, but the PS4 pro's specs will become more and more irrelevant as time goes by. So for people who are into PC because of graphics, it's just not the same.
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If you have a Steam account and don't use it or you have not purchased at-least a single game, then you are not counted in any of Steams statistics, Steam is more presentative of "active" players, where-as Sony and Microsoft will just use a collective number regardless if a player is active or not.
I wouldn't be surprised if Steam had something like half a billion user accounts all told, with that said only 180~ million are active on a monthly basis who have purchased at-least 1 game, thus the accounts with say only Team Fortress 2 don't count.
Lawlight said:
Sony never said that 4k doesn't matter. They said that 4k blu-ray only matters to a minority of potential PS4 buyers. And the facts support that. MS using that against them is only valid of that helps MS gain marketshare. We'll see in the long run whether it goes. My guess? The gap will keep increasing.
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To be fair, DVD never really mattered at one point either.
Yet the PS2 included the technology and that storage medium then exploded into popularity.
Blu Ray only mattered to a minority of movie goers at one point, yet the PS3 still pushed that Medium, whilst Microsoft backed the defunct HD DVD standard.
The point is that these consoles are supposed to have a life-time spanning years, what will the market look like in 5 years time? What will 4k adoption be like then? I would likely be more content to retain the Scorpio as a Multimedia hub over the long term.
I don't doubt that Sony has this generation in the bag, but that doesn't mean they should be above criticism where criticism is due, same goes for Microsoft and Nintendo, the consumer can influence things when we demand it. (I.E. Kinect, Always online etc'.)
Lawlight said:
You're talking about a small segment of pc gamers who would not jump platform no matter what. House is talking about those people who would have got a decent PC (nothing fancy) for better graphics. Just look at the steam stats - the majority play at lower than 1080p. I can even see some of those jumping from PC to PS4.
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Doesn't really say much when you take a game like Assassins Creed on the PS4 where 100% of gamers play at a resolution lower than 1080P.
And for the record, 1080P is the most popular resolution on the PC, 42.39% play at a resolution that is 1080P or higher.
To put that into perspective you are looking at a good 70-80 million PC gamers, still think that's a small number to ignore?
Not to mention resolutions like "1536 x 864" that Steam reports isn't a standard resolution, it's likely a scaling bug that has been mis-reported, yet commands almost 4% of PC gamers? (I have *never* seen a panel like that in my entire Multi-decade PC gaming life.)
2560x1440, 2560x1600, 2560x1080, 4k and other Ultra Wide standards are all growing on the PC, whilst lower resolutions in general are seeing downward trends.
With that said, the point of the PC isn't the power to have the best, that's always an option regardless of the console that is on the market.
The power is that you can spend less and get less or spend more and get more, you actually have a choice on what you can have and what you want and when you wish to upgrade, rather than having someone dictate all that on their own terms.