Fixed.

Upscale =/= 4K or we wouldn't be so worried about a 4K drive in the first place, and no, it doesn't.

Hmm I am not a fan of Vizio. But I do love Oled screens. Its one of the reasons why I buy Galaxy S devices over and over again. Grrrrr tempting. Thanks for the suggestions!

Upscale =/= 4K for any of the consoles revealed this year. For the common consumer, the upscale is doing enough, and yes it does.

Except I never said 4K, I said higher resolutions (which PS4P does support). Upscaling from a higher resolution yields better results.

No sane person with a 1080p tv would buy a 360 either, right? And streaming wasn't even widely adopted yet.


Anyway I would be interested in a downscaling 4K UHD player. My projector can display 4:4:4 full RGB at 1080p. UHD discs contain 4:2:0 4K video, meaning 1920x1080 color resolution.  (blu-ray has 960x540 color resolution) I bet a downconversion to 4:4:4 1080p with one of the already longer available wider color spaces than the standard rec.709 of blu-ray would make a calibrated 1080p tv look stunning, 4 x the color resolution of blu-ray. So far most 4K UHD discs are made by upscaling 4:4:4 2K masters anyway. The ps3 already supported deep color and x.v. color, ps4 probably too.

Why does 4K look better on 1080p monitors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIf9h2Gkm_U

But no, the tv industry wants you to buy a new tv while never having used 1080p tv to its full capabilities. And just like 1080p 4K tvs will never see 4:4:4 video content besides store demo loops.

Actually it seems the Samsung UBD-K8500 can downscale to 1080p, albeit to 4:2:0, still seems to have better results. (higher bbandwidth source, chroma subsampling after decompression instead of before lossy compression)
https://tapatalk.com/topic/2337057-47413
If the XBox One S can play UHD discs on HDMI 1.4 1080p tvs as well, that would be another nudge for me to buy one.

I laughed because I'm stupíd.

Well I play on PC, so all of this is somewhat irrelevant to me.
I might pick up a console eventually (first I need a TV...), but if I do it'll be a PS4. I'd rather even a regular PS4 over an Xbox Scorpio. Everything I've heard from people who own both is that their Xbox One buggers them around a lot more than their PS4. Plus signing on to one's Playstation feels marginally less like joining some sort of cult than signing on to one's Xbox. At least in this current generation.

Neither of these upgrades really impresses me. A 4k TV can already upscale for me. Now natively rendering in 4k, THAT would impress me, but it wouldn't change the fact that I don't have a TV... and if and when I get one, I doubt I'll be able to splurge on 4k.

The argument is being made to early for these two systems. PS4 Pro is real and physical it has concrete specs. The Xbox Scorpio has not even shown a design concept yet, and only a CG rendering of a portion of its Mobo which is causing speculation on the amount of ram or GPU the only number MS gave was that it would have 6tf's.

I think people are more disappointed with Sony's handling of the PS4 Pro and marketing angle more than anything. With PSVR they had it out there set up demo stations, revealed it talked about everything except the price allowing the competitors to real their hand and price accordingly. BRAVO Excellent job on Sony.

With the PS4 PRO, it was a rumored leak, and this whole time Sony has been tightlipped and made no teasers available. Which made a lot of fans speculate on the capabilities of this machine i.e backwards compatibility from PS1 to PS4, native 4k etc.

Then MS came out with the reveal of the Scorpio which most felt MS was stupid to announce it as early as they did as this would allow Sony to upgrade their specs and come at a very comparable system in terms of GPU power compared to the Scorpio and also have a year head start.

Then the reveal came and the rumored specs were the actual specs. It seems to me that most people are disappointed that Sony did not increase their specs i.e overclock gpu to increase TF's and by doing so they have given MS a fighting chance in this gen. That conference made alot of people sad, no new Vita, no rockstar game reveal. no backwards capability. Lesson learned most of these insiders are full of shit.

I'm getting a Scorpio. Microsoft's hunger has placed them in a great place for gamers. Sony's cockiness of being first has put them exactly where they've been with the PS3 launch. There were signs last holiday where they released zero exclusives.