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Nautilus said:
Roderic_Blackwood said:

You can repeat your fallacies and it doesnt matter. Of course tech is more expensive than in the US but that doesn't mean we can't afford it. So let me put it simple for you: VR is coming here like all the usual gaming systems and it's going to sell, we have the money, we have the fun! :)

What he means is that mexicans wont buy in the same numbers as the north americans.For every potential mexican consumer there is, the US has 100.And thats due to the overall population income.There will always be the richer part of the population(which im guessing you are part of) but you are the exception and shouldnt be used as the rule.

Sorry dude, I'm not rich. I'm in the middle class, I'm a worker. I hate those stereotypes that says that Mexicans are either super poor or filthy rich. Yes, we have them but we have a proper worker class as well: you work, you save money and you buy a Wii U or a PS4 or a PSVR or a PC for gaming, we're not that different from the rest of the world. And of course countries like the US  has more income than us but that doesn't mean companies like Sony are going to say "Hey, let's completely avoid the Mexican market because they're not as rich as the US citizens are". They just adapt to the market, put their systems on sell accoding with the economic reality of the countrie and voila!. Like XBOX which has in Mexico their biggest market in the world after the US, Microsoft sells more Xbox Ones here than in England or Germany.



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Nautilus said:
Roderic_Blackwood said:

You can repeat your fallacies and it doesnt matter. Of course tech is more expensive than in the US but that doesn't mean we can't afford it. So let me put it simple for you: VR is coming here like all the usual gaming systems and it's going to sell, we have the money, we have the fun! :)

What he means is that mexicans wont buy in the same numbers as the north americans.For every potential mexican consumer there is, the US has 100.And thats due to the overall population income.There will always be the richer part of the population(which im guessing you are part of) but you are the exception and shouldnt be used as the rule.

Thx mate for trying to explain simple economics to this person, but I guess he is stuck in his own world where his opinion is the only reality. Don't mind him, he won't change his stance, we can't all agree or use logic & facts, some use "magic" to rule their daily lives, so... whatever floats his boat, I won't waste my time on such a shallow matter, but thx again, take care!!!



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Game_God said:
Yeah right, undevelopped countries with people with low income will support expensive tech like VR when they fight for daily survival...
Really??? Is this a joke thread??? Seriously these kind of tech tends to be even more expensive in these countries than in ours, a PS4 in Brazil costs almost as much as half a year of average income & you are saying that something way more expensive as better chance to sell in these type of countries???
... mind-boggling...

The Average income on Brazil is of over 2000R$(per month), a PS4 is avaliable for over 2300R$(1150US$ at normal price, but the Dollar was more than 90% up last year, now is nearly 650US$, but the Brazilian  pay the same as 1150US$) at official sellers, with a lot of  places selling it for a lower price. Brazil, for example, in 2014, the Average income was of over 10.000-11.000US$ a Year which, in reality, it is much more. Because  here, in Brazil, we have extremely poor regions and very rich ones. In the really, really, really poor ones, it would take years of full income in order to purchase a PS4.



Nautilus said:
Roderic_Blackwood said:

You can repeat your fallacies and it doesnt matter. Of course tech is more expensive than in the US but that doesn't mean we can't afford it. So let me put it simple for you: VR is coming here like all the usual gaming systems and it's going to sell, we have the money, we have the fun! :)

What he means is that mexicans wont buy in the same numbers as the north americans.For every potential mexican consumer there is, the US has 100.And thats due to the overall population income.There will always be the richer part of the population(which im guessing you are part of) but you are the exception and shouldnt be used as the rule.

I thought that Mexico had some kind of deal with the USA, and that the consoles don't  had much Taxes on the country.



Game_God said:
Nautilus said:

What he means is that mexicans wont buy in the same numbers as the north americans.For every potential mexican consumer there is, the US has 100.And thats due to the overall population income.There will always be the richer part of the population(which im guessing you are part of) but you are the exception and shouldnt be used as the rule.

Thx mate for trying to explain simple economics to this person, but I guess he is stuck in his own world where his opinion is the only reality. Don't mind him, he won't change his stance, we can't all agree or use logic & facts, some use "magic" to rule their daily lives, so... whatever floats his boat, I won't waste my time on such a shallow matter, but thx again, take care!!!

Of course there won't be any country that will purchase more than the USA. Wasn't the USA's population over 300-350 Millions of people ? Plus the fact that nearly every "undeveloped country" will order from USA, because paying in US$, paying for the transport, is still cheaper than  paying the tax in most countries.

I still don't know how Sony released the PS4 in Brazil for over 2200US$, It would be cheaper go to the USA and purchase a  PS4 than purchasing  the Brazilian version. Which would not be possible. I think that the USA or Brazil don't let you go back with something more expensive than 100-200US$ without paying Taxes.



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Roderic_Blackwood said:
Nautilus said:

What he means is that mexicans wont buy in the same numbers as the north americans.For every potential mexican consumer there is, the US has 100.And thats due to the overall population income.There will always be the richer part of the population(which im guessing you are part of) but you are the exception and shouldnt be used as the rule.

Sorry dude, I'm not rich. I'm in the middle class, I'm a worker. I hate those stereotypes that says that Mexicans are either super poor or filthy rich. Yes, we have them but we have a proper worker class as well: you work, you save money and you buy a Wii U or a PS4 or a PSVR or a PC for gaming, we're not that different from the rest of the world. And of course countries like the US  has more income than us but that doesn't mean companies like Sony are going to say "Hey, let's completely avoid the Mexican market because they're not as rich as the US citizens are". They just adapt to the market, put their systems on sell accoding with the economic reality of the countrie and voila!. Like XBOX which has in Mexico their biggest market in the world after the US, Microsoft sells more Xbox Ones here than in England or Germany.

I never said you were rich.I said that you probably belonged to the richer part of the society.There is a big, even if subtle, difference there.But that still dosent change the fact that videogames in general are a luxury.Sure you can save and buy your PS4, Wii U and what not, but you only do that because you put value on it.For a family that has only casual gamers, its still a big investment to put down the equivalent of 300 dollars plus all the games, acessories and everything else on something that is not necessary to survive or you dont fully enjoy, especially when you dont have much money to waste.And that would be especially true to VR devises, that has the equivalent of at least of 800 dollars of investment to use!If thats already expensive for a country such as US or a continent such as Europe, imagine for a country with much lower purchase power as Mexico.

I dont know where you got your data about the Xbox, but you cant just "adapt" in the sense you are implying.You cant just lower a system that costs $250 to make and lower to lets say $150 to the mexican matket and have profit with it.I mean, that beyond obvious.Products have their prices for a reason and the production costs(and shipments) dont magically lower when you move to a different country.I cant even believe i need to sau this.

And im not saying (nor the other guy) that VR cant sell there.Its just going to sell wayyyyy less than in the bigger markets.And not trying to piss on Mexico, thats simply how things are.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Swordmasterman said:
Nautilus said:

What he means is that mexicans wont buy in the same numbers as the north americans.For every potential mexican consumer there is, the US has 100.And thats due to the overall population income.There will always be the richer part of the population(which im guessing you are part of) but you are the exception and shouldnt be used as the rule.

I thought that Mexico had some kind of deal with the USA, and that the consoles don't  had much Taxes on the country.

Im not knowledgeable on that subject.Im talking about more about the purchasing power of the mexican citizem.Even if the PS4 price is roughly the same as in the US, the sales will be nowhere as equal die to the income differences of the US and Mexican citizens in general.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
invetedlotus123 said:

This is the very reason it could work. Arcade and Internet Cafe culture are strong in Brazil and they also are in China. Actually China is the main driver for VR nowadays even the majority of the population being poor thanks to the VR cafes spreading everywhere. It`s easier for a business man buy some VR sets and place them in the arcades at the mall and the public going there to play them it is for a person buy a home set for VR. Selling directly to the final consumer isn`t the only business model for gaming. In Brazil it is common to have rental houses where we can play PS4 games paying per hour, since it`s so expensive those alternatives find a good public, and this just doesn`t happen in USA.

Maybe you are right about China, but you couldnt be more wrong about Brazil.Arcades there are just as dead as arcades in Us(much like everywhere except Japan) and while im not 100% sure about the internet cafe part, Im confident that is not nearly as strong as you suggest.

To be quite honest, what you are suggesting could work anywhere.VR is an expensive tech but above all, its the new marvel tech in the videogame industry.If you put it in shoppings in the US and give it a decent exposure, and fair charge for 30 minutes or 1 hour, it has just as much potential(or even more in my opinion due to the higher revenue that americans have compared to the third country) than Latin America, Brazil or most third world countries.

in the last decade it was more comum on Brazil, but, recently, I don't find those places anymore. Maybe they are more popular in other parts of the country, I live in the richest region of the country and in a Capital



Swordmasterman said:
Game_God said:

Thx mate for trying to explain simple economics to this person, but I guess he is stuck in his own world where his opinion is the only reality. Don't mind him, he won't change his stance, we can't all agree or use logic & facts, some use "magic" to rule their daily lives, so... whatever floats his boat, I won't waste my time on such a shallow matter, but thx again, take care!!!

Of course there won't be any country that will purchase more than the USA. Wasn't the USA's population over 300-350 Millions of people ? Plus the fact that nearly every "undeveloped country" will order from USA, because paying in US$, paying for the transport, is still cheaper than  paying the tax in most countries.

I still don't know how Sony released the PS4 in Brazil for over 2200US$, It would be cheaper go to the USA and purchase a  PS4 than purchasing  the Brazilian version. Which would not be possible. I think that the USA or Brazil don't let you go back with something more expensive than 100-200US$ without paying Taxes.

In Brazil we can bring 500 USD with us whitout paying taxes if we travel through air, and we can buy 500 USD more at the free shop in the airport (most of the time those shops are extremely overpriced and it's better to buy in a regular shop, even with taxes). Brazil has a love case with consoles, ps2 is estimated to have sold around 8 million units here even whitout an official release. Our gaming scenario really improved at the 7th gen, games got much cheaper and the prices got desatached from the US pricing. Some games already passef the one million mark here, (ok, it was PES and counting all platforms, but anyway). It's a healthy market I can say, at least nowadays. Those OTHER markets are fundamental for the industry growth, with Japanese market only shrinking by the day there's a point where you can milk North America and Europe. 



invetedlotus123 said:
Swordmasterman said:

Of course there won't be any country that will purchase more than the USA. Wasn't the USA's population over 300-350 Millions of people ? Plus the fact that nearly every "undeveloped country" will order from USA, because paying in US$, paying for the transport, is still cheaper than  paying the tax in most countries.

I still don't know how Sony released the PS4 in Brazil for over 2200US$, It would be cheaper go to the USA and purchase a  PS4 than purchasing  the Brazilian version. Which would not be possible. I think that the USA or Brazil don't let you go back with something more expensive than 100-200US$ without paying Taxes.

In Brazil we can bring 500 USD with us whitout paying taxes if we travel through air, and we can buy 500 USD more at the free shop in the airport (most of the time those shops are extremely overpriced and it's better to buy in a regular shop, even with taxes). Brazil has a love case with consoles, ps2 is estimated to have sold around 8 million units here even whitout an official release. Our gaming scenario really improved at the 7th gen, games got much cheaper and the prices got desatached from the US pricing. Some games already passef the one million mark here, (ok, it was PES and counting all platforms, but anyway). It's a healthy market I can say, at least nowadays. Those OTHER markets are fundamental for the industry growth, with Japanese market only shrinking by the day there's a point where you can milk North America and Europe. 

The gaming market don't rely on a single market, even if something like the USA or Japan stop purchasing games, the market would continue, but at a very slow pace.