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which Is the op saying is likely? The X-1 or X-2?



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Pemalite said:
JRPGfan said:

Theyre not sunk... they just basically dropped out of the home console market.

The NX is a handheld first and formost, that just happends to be able to hook to a tv.

Theres nothing wrong with that either, I bet the NX outsells the 3DS.

Also since they only have 1 system to develope for (instead of 3ds+wii u), it means it ll see more 1st party software from nintendo.

If the Wii U could play all the 3DS games there was, no one would have ever complained about game droughts.

I think it can work, I hope it does.

I am not sure if you have tried to Emulate DS and 3DS games on a large screen.

They. Look. Like. Utter. Garbage.
I doubt having 3DS games on the Wii U would have done much.

Let's put things into perspective...

The SNES could play gameboy games, the Nintendo 64 also had a Gameboy Advance adapter... Gamecube could do Gameboy Advance...
Wii and Wii U don't have anything as far as I know... But, Nintendo also has the virtual console to resell you the games on those platforms anyway.

None of these approaches have been any kind of guarentee to make Nintendo's consoles a runaway success.

Other than the Wii (Mostly driven by fleeting casuals) and the handheld DS... Nintendo's Home Consoles and Handhelds have been selling less and less every generation almost.

I want Nintendo to be as successfull as the other two companies, that's good for everyone, but we need to be realistic here.

I think you missed his point. Hes not saying simply having 3DS games being playable on Wii U would help, hes saying if all 3DS software and all Wii U software were designed from the ground up for a single device than it would have very strong software support.

Also saying that handhelds outside of DS have declined is not looking at the full picture. Gameboy sold 118 million while GBA sold 81 million so yes while looking purely at the numbers its a decline but that ignores the fact that Gameboy was on the market for 12 years before getting replaced while GBA had 3.5 years.



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Miyamotoo said:
bigtakilla said:

It's hard to take something that has info we KNOW is false and try to say a part of it is true. All I'm saying.

I really don't see what you try to prove here, from statment its obvious they were not sure about form factor or number of devices (very first sentence is "The exact shape of the NX hardware isn't yet clear") even they were right about concept, but they sound confident about that NX will use industry-leading chips.

I'm saying that when you get two out of three things wrong in your rumor (at least according to the newest rumors), it's really hard for me to believe the third.



PwerlvlAmy said:
JRPGfan said:

Theyre not sunk... they just basically dropped out of the home console market.

The NX is a handheld first and formost, that just happends to be able to hook to a tv.

Theres nothing wrong with that either, I bet the NX outsells the 3DS.

Also since they only have 1 system to develope for (instead of 3ds+wii u), it means it ll see more 1st party software from nintendo.

If the Wii U could play all the 3DS games there was, no one would have ever complained about game droughts.

I think it can work, I hope it does.

yeah having a powerful handheld over a capable home console is not appealing to me really

So im a bit confused, at first you said an underpowered device like this will be like Wii U and get no 3rd party support and sell poorly then JRPGfan said that this is more of a handheld so its the 3DS successor as well, which gets far stronger support and has far better sales than Wii U despite being the most outdated hardware of all current devices.

Your reply was that it personally doesnt appeal to you, that doesnt really explain if you still believe its destined to fail or not. And if you do still think it will fail, why?



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zorg1000 said:
PwerlvlAmy said:

yeah having a powerful handheld over a capable home console is not appealing to me really

So im a bit confused, at first you said an underpowered device like this will be like Wii U and get no 3rd party support and sell poorly then JRPGfan said that this is more of a handheld so its the 3DS successor as well, which gets far stronger support and has far better sales than Wii U despite being the most outdated hardware of all current devices.

Your reply was that it personally doesnt appeal to you, that doesnt really explain if you still believe its destined to fail or not. And if you do still think it will fail, why?

The other question I would have regarding this. Sure it doesn't appeal to you personally, but can you speak for the 60 million 3ds owners or the approximately 13 ish million Wii U owners? They are guaranteed to grab basically the entirety of their handheld market, and at least a portion of the home console market, including possibly more from other home consoles depending on their approach with this thing. I believe if anything it is destined to be a huge success, especially with all of the crazy hype around it.



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dongo8 said:
zorg1000 said:

So im a bit confused, at first you said an underpowered device like this will be like Wii U and get no 3rd party support and sell poorly then JRPGfan said that this is more of a handheld so its the 3DS successor as well, which gets far stronger support and has far better sales than Wii U despite being the most outdated hardware of all current devices.

Your reply was that it personally doesnt appeal to you, that doesnt really explain if you still believe its destined to fail or not. And if you do still think it will fail, why?

The other question I would have regarding this. Sure it doesn't appeal to you personally, but can you speak for the 60 million 3ds owners or the approximately 13 ish million Wii U owners? They are guaranteed to grab basically the entirety of their handheld market, and at least a portion of the home console market, including possibly more from other home consoles depending on their approach with this thing. I believe if anything it is destined to be a huge success, especially with all of the crazy hype around it.

I'll just say if the rumor is true, Japan is on lock. For the rest of the world though it's honestly going to come down to price. That said, if they can get even a 720p handheld, 1080p when docked hybrid to the market and have it come with LoZ: BOTW in the box for $350 or less I see it doing very well (The system with no game $300 or less). For Nintendo, selling systems greatly depends on price point, and I simply don't think they'll need the X2, nor would it be financially benificial for them to use it. I mean, everyone here is talking about the X2's power compared to Wii U, but if you compare the rumored specs of X2 to the X1, it doesn't really seem like all that big of an improvement. The benifits wouldn't outweigh the risks.



Nvidia and it's stupid CPU decisions. Good that they worked further on using Denver, but the Cortex-A57 will be soon be 2 generations old and they will be quite a bit less performant and a lot less power efficient than the upcoming A73 cores. They could at least have gone for the A72.



Dunban67 said:
which Is the op saying is likely? The X-1 or X-2?

The X2



bigtakilla said:
dongo8 said:

The other question I would have regarding this. Sure it doesn't appeal to you personally, but can you speak for the 60 million 3ds owners or the approximately 13 ish million Wii U owners? They are guaranteed to grab basically the entirety of their handheld market, and at least a portion of the home console market, including possibly more from other home consoles depending on their approach with this thing. I believe if anything it is destined to be a huge success, especially with all of the crazy hype around it.

I'll just say if the rumor is true, Japan is on lock. For the rest of the world though it's honestly going to come down to price. That said, if they can get even a 720p handheld, 1080p when docked hybrid to the market and have it come with LoZ: BOTW in the box for $350 or less I see it doing very well (The system with no game $300 or less). For Nintendo, selling systems greatly depends on price point, and I simply don't think they'll need the X2, nor would it be financially benificial for them to use it. I mean, everyone here is talking about the X2's power compared to Wii U, but if you compare the rumored specs of X2 to the X1, it doesn't really seem like all that big of an improvement. The benifits wouldn't outweigh the risks.

If Nintendo were using the X1 i then development kits should have launched early last year.



Unless there is some absolutely amazing controller, or the base increases the power of this thing, then this is downright suicidal.

Nintendo's handheld audience doesn't really seem to care that much about power. When you look at the biggest handheld and mobile successes, graphics have played little to no role in the success.

For the console market, this thing is going to get basically zero third party support. Coming off the failure of the Wii U, considering the relative install bases, and considering historical performance of third party games on the NX, it's hard to make a good case for third party development.

What we have is a Wii U, except the gamepad can come with you. And while that's kind of neat, it's nowhere near enough to overcome the Wii U's many flaws.

Which is why I don't really believe in these rumors. It just seems too stupid to be true. It's possible that the rumors are partly true, or are missing some details that would make it make sense. As it is though, the picture they paint is simply awful. It's somewhat disconcerting that anyone is defending them.