Shiken said:
1. Again, you have it reversed. I said non-white want to play the victim, then added the parentheses which directs the "some but not all" to my comment about NON-WHITES. Then I put a comma followed by a statement about the whites making it a completely new comment. Whether you realize it or not, you twisted something to what you expected me to mean due to a preconceived notion most likely fueled by the fact that this is a topic about race. My exact point in a nutshell. 2. That is not what I am saying. If someone is being mistreated, speak up. However this is a matter between the parties involved, not the whole damn country. When an issue like this grows countrywide (usually by media blowing things up and distortion of the truth), that is when things spread beyond the issue at hand and the situation worsens. At no point should anyone not stick up for themselves but as topic spreads past where it is relevant, that is when hate and racial assumptions come into play where they otherwise would have never been an issue. 3. There is a major difference between a few thoughtful people with a brain talking about an issue relevant to them and the media making it a distorted countrywide issue that causes problems. My problem is not with individuals talking amongst themselves or attempting to fix an issue relevant to their area, it is with the massive distortion of views when it goes beyond that. Just to clarify, I am not mad at you or anything. It is just you are missing my point entirely and I am trying to clear things up a bit. |
1a. Why are you misreading what I am writing?! I have explicitly acknowledged MULTIPLE TIMES that the parentheses apply to the first part of your sentence.
You: Everyone who is not white wants to play the victim (not literally everyone but you get it), and many whites want to pretend that racism is not a thing.
Me1: Why did you generalize nonwhites more than whites in the first paragraph? Compare (compare meaning "look at this juxtaposed with what you wrote; do you notice and object to whites being overgeneralized?): all whites want to pretend that racism is not a thing (not literally, but you get it), and many non-whites want to play the victim. You did basically take it back in parentheses, but why say it like that in the first place?
Me2: You said "everyone who is not white wants to play the victim", generalizing that all non-whites do this. Then you backtracked with your parenthetical statement, "(not literally everyone but you get it)". This is in contrast to the second part of the sentence, "many whites want to pretend that racism is not a thing".
Examine the phrase "then you backtracked". What could I possibly be talking about? Obviously something preceding the parenthetical statement. First one thing happens, then another thing happens. What is under discussion that precedes the parenthetIcal statement? Your statement about non-whites. So no, I didn't misunderstand or misconstrue your sentence at all.
Let me break it down AGAIN and I will try to be as clear as fucking possible.
1b. Everyone who is not white wants to play the victim (not literally everyone but you get it), and many whites want to pretend that racism is not a thing.
I will break this down into three parts.
1: "Everyone who is not white wants to play the victim"—this is a sweeping overgeneralization that says ALL non-whites are contributing to racial discord.
2: "(not literally everyone but you get it)"—this is a partial take-back of the previous statement, changing it to mean that not all non-whites contribute to racial discord. The "you get it" is especially vague: it could be intended to mean that almost all non-whites are the problem, but there are a few that aren't; or it could mean 'oh, hey, sorry, I didn't mean all at all, I only meant a lot, like "everyone goes to Burger King", you know?'; frankly, I don't "get it".
3: "many whites want to pretend that racism is not a thing"—clear statement that many, but not all, whites contribute to racial discord.
The reason I began talking about this in the first place was to wonder why the second half of your claim (part 3) was stated so clearly when the first half of your claim (parts 1 and 2) wavered between absolute overgeneralization and vague take-backs. Specifically, to wonder if this was not due to a mental tendency to overgeneralize non-whites in general, which you recognize as wrong (thus the parentheses) but still have a tendency to do when you don't think about it in advance. Alternatively, perhaps it is just bad writing: at first you said "all", then realized it was wrong and added the parentheses, then mentally revised the statement to do better in the second half but didn't bother fixing the first half and just left it a mess; but that is becoming less and less likely as time goes on because I would think that you would have owned up to it by now if that was the case.
2&3. But if the mistreatment is happening at an institutional or systematic level, individual-level responses are insufficient. You treat a flu epidemic differently than individual cases of the flu. A regional or national problem warrants a national discussion.
4. For the record, in my first reply, what you thought was a misquote of you was actually intended as a test for you: how did it make you feel to read it with whites in the more generalized part of the statement and non-whites in the more specific part? Does it make you feel any differently from when it is the way that you wrote it?
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