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Who is making the NX GPU

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dongo8 said:
JEMC said:

The problem with those articles is that they are based on nothing.

I don't know if you're a PC gamer or follow the news about new graphics cards, but the situation is similar: one site post a rumor about an upcoming product, then another site makes an article about that product using the info from the first site as a source, after that another one does the same claiming "several sources" (the first and second site), and from there it's a snowball going downhill.

What we know from the Eurogamer article is that Tegra X1 seems to be the processor that will power the NX, and that would make it more powerful than PS360 & Wii U, but far from the PS4/X1. And if they go with a Tegra X2, the situation will be better, but it won't change that much.

Found something that may hint a little more closely at the possible power of the chips...Most likely the ones in the NX will be semi-custom though, so who knows about the numbers regardless haha.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9903/nvidia-announces-drive-px-2-pascal-power-for-selfdriving-cars

It's hard to get anything from that, specially because it's rated at 250 W and most of its power and performance come from the two Pascal GPUs, not the Tegra X2 chips.

More info about the Drive PX 2 can be found here: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-drive-px2-pascal-gtc-2016/

At least we know the memory bandwidth, around 50 GB/s with Low Power DDR4.



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dongo8 said:
JEMC said:

The problem with those articles is that they are based on nothing.

I don't know if you're a PC gamer or follow the news about new graphics cards, but the situation is similar: one site post a rumor about an upcoming product, then another site makes an article about that product using the info from the first site as a source, after that another one does the same claiming "several sources" (the first and second site), and from there it's a snowball going downhill.

What we know from the Eurogamer article is that Tegra X1 seems to be the processor that will power the NX, and that would make it more powerful than PS360 & Wii U, but far from the PS4/X1. And if they go with a Tegra X2, the situation will be better, but it won't change that much.

Found something that may hint a little more closely at the possible power of the chips...Most likely the ones in the NX will be semi-custom though, so who knows about the numbers regardless haha.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9903/nvidia-announces-drive-px-2-pascal-power-for-selfdriving-cars

What's interesting there is they have the old Tegra giving about 500 gflops each, which is accurate to real performance.  They then have the new chip at 2000 gflops. If that's what NX could produce, it would potentially be a phenomenal system. 



dongo8 said:
There are more and more outlets now reporting that it is going to be the Tegra X2 processor, which would make the system more powerful than XOne and PS4, and closer to the power of PS Neo. Along with the modular controller, and Nintendo's best games, this thing could be a great seller on the market!

Lol. No.

dongo8 said:

I don't appreciate the attitude, multiple sites have reported this, and the exact specs in this here article: http://techfrag.com/2016/08/17/nintendo-nx-tegra-x2/

Don't knock me down if you can't back it up.

"Sources that are working close to the Nintendo NX claim that the chip being used is from Nvidia but it is not the Tegra X1. Right now, the Tegra X2 is not being called the X2 and it is named “Tegra-next” which is likely to be Parker.

The Tegra X1 released last year has four ARM Cortex-A53 cores coupled with Maxwell GPU. Tegra X2 chip on the other hands features four ARM-based Cortex-A57 cores along with two homegrown Denver2 cores. It will feature latest gen Pascal GPU. The same architecture that has been used in the latest Nvidia GPUs, GTX 1080, 1070, 1060 and the Titan X."


Whilst there could be credability in the Tegra "X2" rumor.
It's a pretty bold statement stating that it's going to be more powerful than the Xbox One and Playstation 4 as I highly doubt it is achievable with the technology we have right now for mobile.

dongo8 said:

Every article I have read and found about the use of Tegra X2 says the same thing. The X2 will use Pascal architecture and will be close to the power of blah blah blah. It doesn't really matter, it is all rumor, but according to most of the articles it is from a source that is "Very Familiar With" the NX, whatever that means. I just didn't appreciate the way that you immediately shot it down without any reading or reasoning to say otherwise. I am going on the articles and news that I have read some of which I have sourced in this thread. There is A LOT of it out there. No one is taking them as gospel, but I am pretty excited about the possibilities. Each article also words it differently, some saying that the X2 would be on par with or a little better than XOne and PS4, and then others stating it would be nearly on par with Neo. No one yet knows the actual specs of the X2 but are using comparable processors to gauge where the power could potentially be.

Until Nintendo or NVidia come out and say something, no one will ever know. Hopefully next month we will know things! This speculation is obviously putting people on edge haha

There is actually not that big of a jump between Maxwell and Pascal, it is more of an evolutionary update with minor efficiency gains rather than something revolutionary... It's certainly not the kind of performance jump we got with Maxwell that's for sure.

Most of the gains we saw with Pascal was thanks to 16nm FinFet and a reworked chip allowing for higher clocks, we will not be seeing that same kind of jump with Tegra for obvious reasons.

I also question your use of websites as a source of information, "Techfrag" is not in my list of reliable source materials.

The Tegra "X2" will fall far short of the Xbox One's capabilities.

dongo8 said:

Found something that may hint a little more closely at the possible power of the chips...Most likely the ones in the NX will be semi-custom though, so who knows about the numbers regardless haha.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9903/nvidia-announces-drive-px-2-pascal-power-for-selfdriving-cars

Take note of the TDP though, they took Tegra "X2" chip and seriously pumped up the clock rates, it's got a 250w TDP.
At that speed and TDP it will still likely fall short of the desktop chips due to various limitations whilst consuming more energy.

In otherwords it's not going to represent a mobile chip.

TheLastStarFighter said:

What's interesting there is they have the old Tegra giving about 500 gflops each, which is accurate to real performance.  They then have the new chip at 2000 gflops. If that's what NX could produce, it would potentially be a phenomenal system. 

Please don't use flops in that way.

It's not an accurate denominator for gauging performance, certainly not real-world performance.




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It's a portable/semi portable device of course it's not going to *directly* match an XBox One in a portable state, that would be ridiculous and overkill.

Nintendo's best bet would be to go for Wii U+ fidelity at 720p and try to get as close to XBOne fidelity at 540p as they can for the portable mode.



Since tegra is involved I'm guessing nvidia.
But they would be better off with AMD.
Imo amd makes cheaper and on par with nvidia- products.



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TheLastStarFighter said:
dongo8 said:

Found something that may hint a little more closely at the possible power of the chips...Most likely the ones in the NX will be semi-custom though, so who knows about the numbers regardless haha.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9903/nvidia-announces-drive-px-2-pascal-power-for-selfdriving-cars

What's interesting there is they have the old Tegra giving about 500 gflops each, which is accurate to real performance.  They then have the new chip at 2000 gflops. If that's what NX could produce, it would potentially be a phenomenal system. 

Where did you get those 2,000 GFlops from?

The Drive PX 2 has 2xTegra X2 chips and 2xPascal GPUs that together provide 8 TFlops, but we don't know how much of that performance is provided by the GPUs and how much by the Tegras.



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Please don't use flops in that way.

It's not an accurate denominator for gauging performance, certainly not real-world performance.

You really need to stop saying that tired line over and over in an attempt to sound smart.  You absolutely can compare flops with flops to compare computing capacity.  At no point did I say something like twice the flops = twice the performance, but twice the flops is twice the flops.



JEMC said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

What's interesting there is they have the old Tegra giving about 500 gflops each, which is accurate to real performance.  They then have the new chip at 2000 gflops. If that's what NX could produce, it would potentially be a phenomenal system. 

Where did you get those 2,000 GFlops from?

The Drive PX 2 has 2xTegra X2 chips and 2xPascal GPUs that together provide 8 TFlops, but we don't know how much of that performance is provided by the GPUs and how much by the Tegras.

Yeah, that's true.  I notice that and then forgot about it.  It could very well be a 1+1+3+3 set up or some other variation.  It does indicate the X2 will have a significant performance boost over X1, I'd suggest at least double.



TheLastStarFighter said:
JEMC said:

Where did you get those 2,000 GFlops from?

The Drive PX 2 has 2xTegra X2 chips and 2xPascal GPUs that together provide 8 TFlops, but we don't know how much of that performance is provided by the GPUs and how much by the Tegras.

Yeah, that's true.  I notice that and then forgot about it.  It could very well be a 1+1+3+3 set up or some other variation.  It does indicate the X2 will have a significant performance boost over X1, I'd suggest at least double.

There are still too many things we don't know to take any conclusions.



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JEMC said:
TheLastStarFighter said:

Yeah, that's true.  I notice that and then forgot about it.  It could very well be a 1+1+3+3 set up or some other variation.  It does indicate the X2 will have a significant performance boost over X1, I'd suggest at least double.

There are still too many things we don't know to take any conclusions.

Conclusions, no, of course not.  But there is lots of fodder for solid speculation.  If I were to wager, I'd go with NX using the Tegra X2, and it's power will come in around 90% of an XBox One, which was an earlier rumor.  I'd say a solid chance of a docking station suplimental GPU, perhaps doublling performance.  We know by the patents a suplimental processing unit has been under consideration, the question is whether it will become a reality.