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curl-6 on 03 August 2016
taikamya said:

The APU inside the X1S is the same as the XB1. It's just a revision, meaning that it have some errors corrected and some chip-bining corrected. Usually it gives about 2~5% advantage over previous generation. If this console is about 7% faster, you can totally tell that this X1S APU is either overclocked or AMD did one hell of a job.

It's overclocked. The GPU frequency has been upped from 853 MHz to 914 MHz, and ESRAM bandwidth has subsequently risen from 204 GB/s to 219 GB/s.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-inside-xbox-one-s-tech-interview



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malistix1985 on 03 August 2016

I think Microsoft stated the small increase is to give the graphics card the extra horsepower to run HDR in games, but, in games that don't support it there is a small overhead for well.. a small increase in performance. win-win for the owners of this console




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theprof00 on 04 August 2016
scrapking said:

theprof00 said:

 I don't really think ms cares much about the OG xb1 owners. I think it makes more sense to them to clear the slate and start over as soon as possible.

I don't think Microsoft has abandoned the Xbox 360 yet, let alone is about to abandon the Xbox One.  While Microsoft is no longer making first-party 360 games, or manufacturing the system, they nonetheless are still supporting apps and releasing updates.  Xbox Live is still fully supported on the 360, third-parties are still authorized to release new Xbox 360 content through Microsoft's distribution channels, and Microsoft continues to actively work on 360 backwards compatibility for the Xbox One.

So it seems a bit alarmist to suggest that because they release a version that is 7% more powerful, a difference that they publically downplay as being even a selling feature, that they'd prefer to throw away 20 million enthusiasts and start from scratch.

The 360 is an amazing success and still is very capable of selling well in developing markets.

The thing is, they already went on record about the scorpio for one, and said that while they intend for the scorpio to be a forward compatible xb1, they won't dictate to developers to make sure the games also work on x1.

"Spencer also assured players that all game releases would be compatible across the entire range of Xbox One consoles"
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/13/microsoft-new-video-game-consoles-xbox-e3

"While Liftis promised that all the games released now will run on Scorpio, she was asked whether there woild be Scorpio-only games, and her answer remained vague:

“I don’t know about that. Again, it’s up to the game development community. What do they want to do. […] This is the beginning of a new cycle of engaging with devs. Let’s talk again next year.”"
http://www.dualshockers.com/2016/06/13/microsoft-exec-unsure-about-xbox-one-scorpio-only-games-up-to-the-game-development-community/

 

What makes you think MS would cater to x1?



scrapking on 06 August 2016

theprof00 said:

The 360 is an amazing success and still is very capable of selling well in developing markets.

[...]

What makes you think MS would cater to x1?

The Xbox One has outsold the 360 when aligning for months on the market.  The Xbox One S seems to be off to a great start, and is essentially a side-grade rather than an upgrade.  The Scorpio has been confirmed as being an evolution of the Xbox One, so there'll be some developer interest in taking advantage of that market, at least for the foreseeable future.  Heck, the Scorpio is over a year away and if the Xbox One S keeps selling well then supporting th X1 will be all the more appealing.



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theprof00 on 07 August 2016
scrapking said:

theprof00 said:

The 360 is an amazing success and still is very capable of selling well in developing markets.

[...]

What makes you think MS would cater to x1?

The Xbox One has outsold the 360 when aligning for months on the market.  The Xbox One S seems to be off to a great start, and is essentially a side-grade rather than an upgrade.  The Scorpio has been confirmed as being an evolution of the Xbox One, so there'll be some developer interest in taking advantage of that market, at least for the foreseeable future.  Heck, the Scorpio is over a year away and if the Xbox One S keeps selling well then supporting th X1 will be all the more appealing.

I'm not sure that's true, and I'm also pretty sure that 360 took off in it's third year and 5th year, and x1 is trending downward.



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Mosfet on 07 August 2016

Fun fact,msoft has kept quiet about this mini speed boost cuz they don't want this to be a selling point.



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scrapking on 08 August 2016

theprof00 said:

I'm not sure that's true, and I'm also pretty sure that 360 took off in it's third year and 5th year, and x1 is trending downward.

Well, VGChartz says it's true, check their latest X360 vs. X1 Gap Chart article. As regards the trend, all bets are off with the Xbox One S. This has the potential the most significant mid-cycle refresh in a long time. Possibly ever. The PS2 benefitted from being one of the cheapest DVD players on the market. The PS3 benefitted from being one of the cheapest BD played on the market. Might the Xbox One S benefit from being one of the cheapest UHD players on the market? Add in that it's slightly more powerful, significantly smaller, better on your power bill, offers the benefit of an integrated IR blaster for those that don't have a Kinect, a 2TB option, the refreshed controller with Bluetooth, that awesome Gears 4 special edition, etc., and there's a lot to tempt even existing X1 owners to upgrade (perhaps trading in their existing unit or whatever). I've bought a regular 2TB, and preordered a Gears 4 console. And if you're new to this gen of consoles, I suspect that this is a more tempting option vs. the PS4 than the original X1 was. So, like I say, all bets are off IMO.



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scrapking on 08 August 2016
fuallmofus said:

shouldnt this be the 4k gaming console? with just 7% speed upgrade its too low. I think 2d sprite games shouldnt be a problem.


For VR its too low to!

As I see it...

Xbox One S = just barely good enough for 4K movies

PS Neo = just barely good enough for VR

Xbox One Scorpio = just barely good enough for 4K gaming (and augmented reality?)



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malistix1985 on 08 August 2016
scrapking said:
fuallmofus said:

shouldnt this be the 4k gaming console? with just 7% speed upgrade its too low. I think 2d sprite games shouldnt be a problem.


For VR its too low to!

As I see it...

Xbox One S = just barely good enough for 4K movies

PS Neo = just barely good enough for VR

Xbox One Scorpio = just barely good enough for 4K gaming (and augmented reality?)

If you compare it with PC specs. you are about right, altough the PSNeo on paper would be highly bottlenecked by its CPU (if the rumours are true) since VR requires a high end I5 or lower class I7, which is leaques above what any console has.

The Xbox One Scorpio, with currently running games, should be around the medium quality and 4k, so, about what you see on PS4/Xbox One these days but in 4k.

I think Augmented reality is powered by the headset itself, anyway, VR is more intensive then Augmented Reality, and 4K deffenitely is, but consoles are moving in the right direction, the Xbox Scorpio should be more powerfull then the 480 from AMD, making it deffenitely 4k and VR ready, even tough its in the lower segment, what can you expect for a decent price, nobody wants a 1000++++ console lol




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RoIStoppable on 08 August 2016
malistix1985 said:

So after a lot of talk about the GPu/CPu in the Xbox One S I was expecting it to be a bit faster so I did some research and stumbled on this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju5cTcrWy4E

They test some games, project cars, hitman and even Alan Wake, and it shows the hardware is indeed a bit faster. Its not a huge increase but overall its always nice to have less performance hits in your games, especially the reduced tearing in games that aim for 30fps seems like a big bonus.

ps4 is 50% faster