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Forums - Politics - Chancellor Merkel keeps open-gate policy, outrage breaks out

barneystinson69 on 28 July 2016

Can't imagine how the German people are going to react. As a Canadian, I think this is stupid. For a German, I can't imagine how pissed they're. This woman needs to be put out of office for good! You'll see right-winged extremism rise through Europe just like in the 1930s, you wait and see...



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Dark_Lord_2008 on 28 July 2016

A nation strengthens its economy by strengthening its borders with tight border control and restricting immigration. Recent terrorist attacks in Europe are a direct result of governments pandering to political correctness.



Moonlighter on 28 July 2016
JWeinCom said:
I don't know. On a practical and moral level, there are reasons to take in refugees. There are obviously security risks as well. Frankly, I'm just glad it's not decision I have to make. It's not an easy one.

THIS. Wish more people could see that it's not an easy decision as opening a single door in front of us.



the_dark_lewd on 28 July 2016

Completely mental. She's going to do so much damage to Europe as a whole with this nonsense. You just can't integrate new people into a culture when they come in these numbers. It's almost definite what you'll end up with is essentially muslim ghettos, where people are cut off from the rest of society. That's what's happened in France, and that's where extremism spreads easily.
She's ruining the social cohesion of Europe with this crap. This was the main thing Europe had over the United States. Our countries are internally quite peaceful and stable.

In 50 years, that'll no longer be true. European countries will have turned into the kind of gang warfare you see in places like Chicago. Never ending sectarianism. That's what happens when you just force huge groups of different people together suddenly. It backfires. People are naturally tribal and just shut down into their separate camps. Immigration has to be slow and spread out geographically or it just divides the country.



Illusion on 28 July 2016
hershel_layton said:
JWeinCom said:
I don't know. On a practical and moral level, there are reasons to take in refugees. There are obviously security risks as well. Frankly, I'm just glad it's not decision I have to make. It's not an easy one.

I'm with you on that opinion.

 

Too many people act as though it's a very easy decision. It's not. It'll have an impact on many people for the generations to come.

 

I just hate how Saudi Arabia won't even accept any of them. Shows how disgusting of a country Saudi Arabia is. To think they won't even help their own fellow brothers and sisters. 

 

besides, the migrants would be accustomed to Saudi Arabia's laws much quicker if you think about it. They follow Islam, many Syrian refugees/immigrants do as well, easy transition

At this point it is very clear that bringing in migrants has to stop unless you are willing to accept complete destabilization and civil war in Europe.  People in Europe are being told by police that they shouldn't even go outside their homes and you are only hearing about a small portion of the terrorist attacks that are actually happening there. 

There are other ways to help migrants that doesn't involve open borders.  In my opinion, the solution from the start of this conflict should have been for the west to work with Putin, help reinstate Asad as quickly as possible, and then pump a ton of money into the Syrian economy to rebuild the nation.  The migrants could then return home to a safe country.  Instead the west chooses to side with ISIS and make this whole conflict worse, in fact the west created this whole crisis by empowering ISIS in the first place.  

In either case, it is morally irresponsible to be bringing in migrants with the current situation in Europe.  European governments are first and foremost responsible for the wellbeing of their own citizens, of whom they are neglecting severely in this crisis... You do not donate money to homeless people while your own family is starving.



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hershel_layton on 28 July 2016
Nuvendil said:
hershel_layton said:

I agree about the part where it's too many men. However, ask yourself a bigger question- who do they fight? There's too many groups involved in Syria to the point where fighting will either be useless or drag on the war for much longer.

 

Oh, and times do change. The next 10 years are surely going to be something. I wonder if the war will end by then- perhaps start a policy of sending refugees back slowly to rebuild syria(that is if it's in habitable]

Well at this time literally everyone is focused on ISIL.  Even the rebels and gov forces have mostly stopped engagin each other to take on ISIL.  Not that they HELP each other :P .  It's quite awkward actually.  And amazing how many people ISIL has pissed off in its short lifespan.

As for the War in the next decade, it will be over by then.  Mosul is nearly surrounded, the Kurds and Iraqis are pressing forward hard.  They've lost major strategic positions like Fallujah, Palmyra, and the Homs region.  Raqqah is under threat. ISIL has actually been losing for months, these recent attacks are desparate flails to keep the fear alive as it is their only remaining weapon.

And on my last statement, yeah times do change.  But the fact Europeans always seem to get such an incorrect vission of the US never does :P.  In the early 20th century they apparently got all their info from US films and the valor of US forces in WWI and WWII and thus envisioned this idealistic Eagleland ("America the Beautiful", as it were).  Then in the late 20th century they apparently got their info from 80s action flicks, the Vietnam news footage, and other such sources and envisioned a bumbling, well meaning goof or watchful chessmaster or some such rubbish.  And now from what I hear most Europeans say, they apparently get all their info from social media, bloggers, conspiracy theorist sites, and the most sensationalist media cause everyone envisions this border-line warzone where every white man packs a magnum to protect themselves from the black men with TEC-9s and both are protecting themselves from hispanics and all the cops kick down your door with a M-4 and shoot first and ask questions later and Marial Law is inevitable blah blah.  Oh, and apparently we are both entitled and poverty stricken.  It's the most hilariously inaccurate depiction of any nation I have ever seen xD.  Which is why I find politics threads concerning US or that go to the US occasionally frustrating but mostly endlessly amusing as all the people not from the US (usually from the other side of the globe) get up and talk about this fictitious caricature :P

Oh and mark my words, those who rant about US border policies will NEVER concede we had a point even as they push for similar restrictions on some of their borders.  Trust me :P

Difference between us and Europe is that we won't die if we keep open borders. We don't even need a strong emphasis on it.

 

For the US, focusing on borders will result in lost time and money. For Europe, it will prevent overpopulation.



 

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Nuvendil on 29 July 2016
hershel_layton said:
Nuvendil said:

Well at this time literally everyone is focused on ISIL.  Even the rebels and gov forces have mostly stopped engagin each other to take on ISIL.  Not that they HELP each other :P .  It's quite awkward actually.  And amazing how many people ISIL has pissed off in its short lifespan.

As for the War in the next decade, it will be over by then.  Mosul is nearly surrounded, the Kurds and Iraqis are pressing forward hard.  They've lost major strategic positions like Fallujah, Palmyra, and the Homs region.  Raqqah is under threat. ISIL has actually been losing for months, these recent attacks are desparate flails to keep the fear alive as it is their only remaining weapon.

And on my last statement, yeah times do change.  But the fact Europeans always seem to get such an incorrect vission of the US never does :P.  In the early 20th century they apparently got all their info from US films and the valor of US forces in WWI and WWII and thus envisioned this idealistic Eagleland ("America the Beautiful", as it were).  Then in the late 20th century they apparently got their info from 80s action flicks, the Vietnam news footage, and other such sources and envisioned a bumbling, well meaning goof or watchful chessmaster or some such rubbish.  And now from what I hear most Europeans say, they apparently get all their info from social media, bloggers, conspiracy theorist sites, and the most sensationalist media cause everyone envisions this border-line warzone where every white man packs a magnum to protect themselves from the black men with TEC-9s and both are protecting themselves from hispanics and all the cops kick down your door with a M-4 and shoot first and ask questions later and Marial Law is inevitable blah blah.  Oh, and apparently we are both entitled and poverty stricken.  It's the most hilariously inaccurate depiction of any nation I have ever seen xD.  Which is why I find politics threads concerning US or that go to the US occasionally frustrating but mostly endlessly amusing as all the people not from the US (usually from the other side of the globe) get up and talk about this fictitious caricature :P

Oh and mark my words, those who rant about US border policies will NEVER concede we had a point even as they push for similar restrictions on some of their borders.  Trust me :P

Difference between us and Europe is that we won't die if we keep open borders. We don't even need a strong emphasis on it.

 

For the US, focusing on borders will result in lost time and money. For Europe, it will prevent overpopulation.

Well our northern border is very open, always has been.  The only border where we upped security considerably was the southern one where all kinds of crap was happening litterally within days drive of the border.  It was a similar issue on a smaller scale but over a longer period of time: desperate migrants unwilling to integrate legally or culturally in any capacity that had dangerous types intermingled within.  Only with us it was criminals, not islamic extremists.  The border with Mexico needed tightening cause lord knows the Mexican government has done crap all to help control population movement, seriously reduce crime, and improve economic health.  When you border a nation that poses issues at your border, you secure your border.  It's common sense.  When they don't pose an issue, you keep borders more open, as we have with Canada.  Also, us being larger means we can absorb more but it also means our nation is harder to police and protect, so that advantage cuts both ways.



Kerotan on 29 July 2016

Merkel is crazy. She doesn't live in the real world. The Germans don't want their doors open and they're right. Syrians should be temporarily housed in neighbouring countries until they're ready to go home



hershel_layton on 29 July 2016
Kerotan said:
Merkel is crazy. She doesn't live in the real world. The Germans don't want their doors open and they're right. Syrians should be temporarily housed in neighbouring countries until they're ready to go home

A lot of the issues could've been solved in a much better way.


Syria could have gone through some issues and slowly go back to normal. It's a shame that it'll take a lot of effort to fix it.

 

Syria used to be a great place( as with many of the other Middle Eastern countries). 



 

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bonzobanana on 29 July 2016
hershel_layton said:
Nuvendil said:

Well, to be fair the loyalty of Saudi Arabia's leaders is to the people of Saudi Arabia.  These refugees are not their "brothers and sisters" just because they are of similar ethnicity.  Any more than Germans are my brothers and sisters to be very blunt.  Not saying Saudi Arabia is perfect, not even close.  And yes, they are isolationist in many ways.  But while some say that's stupid or "selfish", I find the emphasis on globalism at the expense of national interests far more stupid.  The leaders of a country should think of their people first qnd foremost, it is to them they have a responsibility, not some group hundreds or thousands of miles away.  

In the case of Germany, I think their policy needs review.  They openly admit they can't handle this free flow of migrants so freaking stop it.  Enforce some form of screening.  You know, like what most countries used to do.  They openly admit these migrants are a huge security risk, doing nothing about it is just...foolish.  Merkel's responsibility is to Germany first, Migrants second.

The reason I said they're brothers and sisters is because Islam has a strong emphasis on helping the poor, especially if it's poor Muslims.

 

considering how Saudi Arabia always brings islam first, it's shocking to see them ignore one of the pillars of islam- charity. Whether one agrees with islam or not is irrelevant- it's the fact that they only care about islam when it benefits them that makes it an issue.

 

Saudi Arabia is an example of an extremist agenda succeeding. They follow strict Sharia law and have little consideration for other religions. Also Saudi Arabia has been a great funder of islamic terrorism so I don't think its surprising they aren't doing much as they have much sympathy for IS and if IS succeeds their caliphate will be pretty similar to Saudi Arabia.  You can't even take a bible into Saudi Arabia without it being removed from you and destroyed.