Onimusha12 said: Riot Of The Blood said: Because I don't want to invest in consoles that shit on Backwards Compatibility and from every indication are the beginning of the end for a trend in gaming. That's just me though. Didn't you buy the GameCube which had no backwards compatibility? I don't think you're telling the entire truth. You mean to tell me you would just not play games you love over backwards compatibility? I'm going to have call bullshit on that one because, you hated on the PS3 even when it did have it. I think you would enjoy gaming more if you were more open minded towards it. There are multiple games on the PS3 that you want, yet you turn the other cheek for some odd reason. The Gamecube didn't have a predicessor that played discs so it was forgiveable and now those games which couldn't be played on the Gamecube are now being made available on the Wii, so its a self remedying situation.

Sjeez.  Cherry picking much?

 

@onimusha: look at your list again. staying with the PS brand would have ensured you can play ALL RE games just fine. 1, 2, 3, Code V, 4 have ALL been on the playstation brand.

Your point?

DMeisterJ said: Onimusha12 said: Riot Of The Blood said: Because I don't want to invest in consoles that shit on Backwards Compatibility and from every indication are the beginning of the end for a trend in gaming. That's just me though. Didn't you buy the GameCube which had no backwards compatibility? I don't think you're telling the entire truth. You mean to tell me you would just not play games you love over backwards compatibility? I'm going to have call bullshit on that one because, you hated on the PS3 even when it did have it. I think you would enjoy gaming more if you were more open minded towards it. There are multiple games on the PS3 that you want, yet you turn the other cheek for some odd reason. The Gamecube didn't have a predicessor that played discs so it was forgiveable and now those games which couldn't be played on the Gamecube are now being made available on the Wii, so its a self remedying situation. Sjeez.  Cherry picking much?

No, not really. Cartridges don't play on Disc Readers. Crazy I know. You think Nintendo would have re-released the entire NES, SNES and N64 libraries on Gamecube Compatible discs or something so that the GC could have had BC right?

Gamecube's reason for no Backwards compatibility was a change in formats and the resulting complications there of, sorry but the prospect of a foot long addition to the Gamecube to play these three cartridge types isn't a realistic one I'm afraid. The 360's was, oh I know lets make a completely different hardware based console that isn't compatible with its predicessor and refuse to pay the rights to buy the hardware that would allow them to have true B/C. The PS3's was, oh shit we made an overengineered console that costs too much, how do we cut costs? What goes first?

Also I ask, what is worse, a brand that didn't have B/C and now does or a brand that did and now doesn't?

Faxanadu said: @onimusha: look at your list again. staying with the PS brand would have ensured you can play ALL RE games just fine. 1, 2, 3, Code V, 4 have ALL been on the playstation brand. Your point?

RE0 isn't on the playstation brand
RE1 remake isn't on the playstation brand
RE4:Wii isn't on the playstation brand

RE4 is not on the playstation 2? Have I missed something?

oh, and RE1 Remake is a remake of the original RE 1 on PS1.....

RE0 you might have a point. I just dont consider the "artifical" prequel to be part of the main series.

Onimusha12 said: DMeisterJ said: Onimusha12 said: Riot Of The Blood said: Because I don't want to invest in consoles that shit on Backwards Compatibility and from every indication are the beginning of the end for a trend in gaming. That's just me though. Didn't you buy the GameCube which had no backwards compatibility? I don't think you're telling the entire truth. You mean to tell me you would just not play games you love over backwards compatibility? I'm going to have call bullshit on that one because, you hated on the PS3 even when it did have it. I think you would enjoy gaming more if you were more open minded towards it. There are multiple games on the PS3 that you want, yet you turn the other cheek for some odd reason. The Gamecube didn't have a predicessor that played discs so it was forgiveable and now those games which couldn't be played on the Gamecube are now being made available on the Wii, so its a self remedying situation. Sjeez.  Cherry picking much?   No, not really. Cartridges don't play on Disc Readers. Crazy I know. You think Nintendo would have re-released the entire NES, SNES and N64 libraries on Gamecube Compatible discs or something so that the GC could have had BC right?

No, I'm more focusing on that you "forgive" the lack of b/c in the GC because of a hardware change, but you are still able to play *most* PS2 games on the PlayStation 3 80 GB.  So it was okay to have none, but not okay to have some?  Which brings me to my next point...

Why do you care so much about b/c?  I mean, it's obvious you like Onimusha, so how did you play that game?  As far as I remember, that was a PS2 game.  So you *must* have a PS2.   I mean, do you buy next-gen consoles to buy las-generation games?  So did you buy a Wii to play GC games?  I just don't get it.

RE1 Remake is more than RE1 for the PS1 I'm afraid, its basically a new and fantastic take on the original with unfathomably more content, its not a fair trade off to compare the two as being the same.

RE0 is a main series game, call it artificial if you want, but that may be just because you can't have it.

RE:Wii is not on the PS2. You know the ideal version with the best graphics and all the exclusive content that was formerly only on the PS2 version.

Onimusha12 said: The PS3/360 have only two third party games I want. The Wii has 15 first party games I want. I think the decision is pretty clear. I'm not shelling out extravagant amounts of money just for two games I can wait for either a port or compliation of next generation. Its common sense.

So then why not wait for a port or compilation next generation? My comments about dissatisfaction with Wii support was not just addressed to you, but to any members that demand all of these games on their console. It happens all the time. What everyone fails to realize for some odd reason is the Wii cannot have the same games created for it that the PS3 and 360 can. The game needs to be considerably changed and usually that has very subpar results. Nintendo decided as a console maker to not support HD gaming and those that buy the Wii should already know that going into it. I believe every gamer should own at least two of the three current consoles if they want a well rounded library of games to choose from. This is not last generation where all games could be ported between consoles if need be at minimal effort for similar results. If anything, why don't you petition Nintendo to make a more powerful Wii or for Microsoft and Sony to make two less powerful consoles so the specs can all match? That would be a bit more fair than to ask Capcom to bend over to three console makers that couldn't come together and even have a middle ground for third parties to port to.

 

DMeisterJ said: Onimusha12 said: DMeisterJ said: Onimusha12 said: Riot Of The Blood said: Because I don't want to invest in consoles that shit on Backwards Compatibility and from every indication are the beginning of the end for a trend in gaming. That's just me though. Didn't you buy the GameCube which had no backwards compatibility? I don't think you're telling the entire truth. You mean to tell me you would just not play games you love over backwards compatibility? I'm going to have call bullshit on that one because, you hated on the PS3 even when it did have it. I think you would enjoy gaming more if you were more open minded towards it. There are multiple games on the PS3 that you want, yet you turn the other cheek for some odd reason. The Gamecube didn't have a predicessor that played discs so it was forgiveable and now those games which couldn't be played on the Gamecube are now being made available on the Wii, so its a self remedying situation. Sjeez.  Cherry picking much?   No, not really. Cartridges don't play on Disc Readers. Crazy I know. You think Nintendo would have re-released the entire NES, SNES and N64 libraries on Gamecube Compatible discs or something so that the GC could have had BC right? No, I'm more focusing on that you "forgive" the lack of b/c in the GC because of a hardware change, but you are still able to play *most* PS2 games on the PlayStation 3 80 GB.  So it was okay to have none, but not okay to have some?  Which brings me to my next point... Why do you care so much about b/c?  I mean, it's obvious you like Onimusha, so how did you play that game?  As far as I remember, that was a PS2 game.  So you *must* have a PS2.   I mean, do you buy next-gen consoles to buy las-generation games?  So did you buy a Wii to play GC games?  I just don't get it.

The Gamecube's lack of B/C wasn't hardware, it was format. And its an understandable hurdle for any console. The change had to be made sometime and if any blame is to be had, its the N64 for not adopting a disc format, not the Gamecube's. I hate to break it too you but Nintendo's situation wasn't the result of poor R&D like the 360's was or making their console too expensive and having to cut back like the PS3's was. 

Furthermore I think in a generation like this one where B/C has already been established as the standard by the PS2, I'd expect more from two consoles that claim to be the creme of the crop, especially its successor.

B/C matters to me because I'm not a game-a-week gamer who buys a game, beats it and forgets about it. Though if I was rooting for the PS3, I'm sure I would have found a way to convince myself B/C doesn't matter just like you have, so I understand your feelings. Maybe if the PS2 didn't have one of the greatest game libraries of all time I would be able to forgive the PS3 first handling B/C so carelessly then abandoning it altogether, if only the PS2 was a fraction as reliable as PS3 is maybe I could be content in knowing I'd have something to play my PS2 games on it until the end days, but unfortunately the PS2 is not a sound investment for the future no matter how you slice it.