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Nintendo's future?

Mobile 15 8.11%
 
PC 0 0%
 
PlayStation + Xbox 10 5.41%
 
Mobile + PC 6 3.24%
 
PC + PlayStation + Xbox 1 0.54%
 
PC + PlayStation + Xbox + Mobile 29 15.68%
 
NX (unlikely) 124 67.03%
 
Total:185
Captain_Yuri said:
Nintendo going third party is not a good idea... They struggle to develop games with one console but 3?... Yea no... Any why wouldn't they stay in the handheld space? They have zero competition

well obviously third parties are able to port to both the Xbox One / PC / PS4 fairly easily. Nintendo wouldn't be developing games exclusively for one platform or another, they'd be making a Mario game and releasing it on all platforms.

I agree though, its a poor idea overall. Its actually a good idea in the sense that Nintendo would be able to push a lot of software sales. but bad because Nintendo DOES generally make significant money from hardware and accessory sales.

I also would point out that Nintendo's  virtual console store basically prints them money since they don't have to create much of anything new besides slight coding and an interface for the store.

and you're right about the handheld space, Nintendo still is basically THE go-to place for handhelds. People can say what they want about mobile encroaching the handheld market, but people have been gaming on smartphone since like before 2010 and the 3DS is still the second best selling gaming platform

in the end Nintendo has no real incentive to go third-party. They have plenty of money, plenty of valuable IP's, plenty of opportunity to use said IP's, etc.

you'll see NIntendo license out their brands to film companies and TV networks before you'll see anything like them go third party. There are a million options for them at this point



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mountaindewslave said:
Captain_Yuri said:
Nintendo going third party is not a good idea... They struggle to develop games with one console but 3?... Yea no... Any why wouldn't they stay in the handheld space? They have zero competition

well obviously third parties are able to port to both the Xbox One / PC / PS4 fairly easily. Nintendo wouldn't be developing games exclusively for one platform or another, they'd be making a Mario game and releasing it on all platforms.

Yea but those third party games also turn out not to be as well optimized as they should be compared to Nintendo games. Most third party games on ps4/x1 have trouble running at 30fps without dips and PC has a wide range of hardware configurations. And then u also have the two new ones coming in. At least x1/ps4 are relatively similar in terms of performance and generally, the resolution is the main difference. But then u will also have Neo/Scorpio which is rumored to be quite a bit apart in terms of power. 

x1 = 1.3 TF

ps4 = 1.8 TF

Neo = 4.4 TF

Scorpio = 6TF

PC = shit TF to Rape TF

My issue is, if Nintendo goes third party, suddenly, their polish will go down the drain if they are gonna be developing for all these platforms. Either that or they will take forever for their games to release.

Edit: Oh and those third parties also have a lot more employees than Nintendo does if memory serves me correctly.



                  

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mountaindewslave said:
Soundwave said:

I think Nintendo will try very hard with the NX, but it may be a lot like Sega with the Dreamcast (good system but consumers had moved on). At least the console variant may turn out like that.

The Wii U is basically Nintendo's Saturn (a disaster). 

poor comparison, Sega actually lost a LOT of money on the Saturn and they were even more of a mess in terms of how they marketed and pushed the system as well as how they supported it. There isn't even a particularly good SONIC game on the Saturn, and that's their mascot for god's sake.

also its an impossible comparison, Sega and Nintendo in terms of coming off of a poorly sold system. Nintendo has an incredibly strong handheld, far stronger IP's (even in the 90s the only Sega brand that stuck with consumers was Sonic), and like 10 billion dollars in the bank.

The difference is quite simple- Sega was in DEBT by the time they attempted the Dreamcast. The Dreamcast was a desperate attempt to stay afloat and it failed due to the ridiculous costs in the production of the system and some of its games (Shenmue). Nintendo is not desperately clutching at straws and they are nowhere close to being in debt.

I like the Dreamcast but I think you'd be hard pressed to find ANYONE in 1999 or so who expected the system to save Sega from its financial woes.

Nintendo has a failed console (the Wii U) and they practically (overall through the generation) still in the positive in terms of revenue.

 

I also will point out that the Saturn did very poorly outside of Japan, and was generally not looked at THAT positively overall in terms of its game library. The Wii U is generally thought of as a good system but with a rather limited library. if anything the Wii U would be the better system to directly compare with the DREAMCAST, but of course, unlike Sega, Nintendo actually has a good footing to move forward

if there's one safe thing to say about Nintendo is that their #1 priority at all times is to make money and gurantee the company's future moving forward. Hence why the Wii U has never had a much of a price cut at all. 

Bottom line is if people are not willing to buy their home consoles anymore, they basically have no choice. 

They can still make portable hardware, so they'd still be a hardware manufacturer, they could still make accessories and controllers too if they really wanted to. 

I'm just saying this in the scenario where the NX *console* doesn't do that great, in that case, it would be pissing away a ton of money by keeping Nintendo's valuable IP locked away on a platform no one is buying.

Especially if they are pushing more into becoming a broader media/merchandising company (movies and what not), you'd want to those IP available to people in a wider sense. 



Seriously? I'm curious as to why you think that Kimishima has already given up on something that hasn't even been properly announced yet.



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Soundwave said:
NX could fail, but largely the Wii U should be blamed. They fucked up with that, that system never should have ben released as is.

 Despite gamepad not being ready (should have been sold separately regardless)  Nintendo should have released  a slightly more powerful (maybe 500 gflop radeon HD 5570, 39w tdp) Wii HD in 2011 w/Skyward Sword.  Im sure NSMBU was done along with other titles, but were sitting on it due to gamepad tech not ready IIRC.  

More importantly, Nintendo's stock was still very high back then and could have had better 3rd party support for a longer period of time, as a mid gen new console, enjoying true "definitive edition" games. Waiting until 2012, with  already dated tech thanks to extra cost of forced gamepad, when you, the company, didn't have great ideas in product form pushing new gameplay?  Disastrous.



I mean I dont think its a stretch to believe that some within Ninty would want this outcome to happen. Just like im sure there are some within MS that want to get rid of Xbox division. Or even some within Sony wanting to get rid of PS division.



Captain_Yuri said:
mountaindewslave said:

well obviously third parties are able to port to both the Xbox One / PC / PS4 fairly easily. Nintendo wouldn't be developing games exclusively for one platform or another, they'd be making a Mario game and releasing it on all platforms.

Yea but those third party games also turn out not to be as well optimized as they should be compared to Nintendo games. Most third party games on ps4/x1 have trouble running at 30fps without dips and PC has a wide range of hardware configurations. And then u also have the two new ones coming in. At least x1/ps4 are relatively similar in terms of performance and generally, the resolution is the main difference. But then u will also have Neo/Scorpio which is rumored to be quite a bit apart in terms of power. 

x1 = 1.3 TF

ps4 = 1.8 TF

Neo = 4.4 TF

Scorpio = 6TF

PC = shit TF to Rape TF

My issue is, if Nintendo goes third party, suddenly, their polish will go down the drain if they are gonna be developing for all these platforms. Either that or they will take forever for their games to release.

Edit: Oh and those third parties also have a lot more employees than Nintendo does if memory serves me correctly.

Nintendo themselves were having problems working on there own HW so i can imagine they might not do as well working for multiple. This is a good argument.



1. Makes a post like OP.
2. Has Paper Mario: Color Splash as his Avatar

You deliberately trying to piss off Nintendo fans, or am I reading into things too much? XD



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