The golden age of console gaming is upon us | |||
| Indeed | 85 | 62.96% | |
| I don't like choice | 21 | 15.56% | |
| I don't like progress | 29 | 21.48% | |
| Total: | 135 | ||
| celador said: I would love for there just to be an Xbox and a Playstation. And they upgrade like 1.0, 2.0 etc. And every few years you have an upgraded console, and it's always backward compatible. And you can maybe skip an upgrade and not miss out too much. |
thats how it will be. Every 2.5 years you can upgarde. ez peasie
They need to be modular.
Hopefully Nintendo leads the pack in this department with the NX.
They agree on one thing, they can't keep selling the same hardware for the same price for the rest of the gen. The current designs can not be made cheaper as 20nm planar dies turned out to be a bust. Both have no choice but to turn to 14nm finfet designs. Since that means starting out at a high price point again, might as well beef up the specs to sweeten the deal.
I wonder what's in the XBox One S, yet since it's still bigger than a ps4 and is basically the same price with not even a bigger hdd at that price point, I suspect it's still a 28nm design. Sure it has 4k blu-ray playback and hdmi 2.0 yet those are minor upgrades that are only possible now since the specs weren't finalized yet at release. (It's just a bdxl reader with aacs 2.0 drm)
Nothing so far indicates a new post generational mobile phone like console model. Ofcourse if the premium versions turn out to be a hit with consumers and developers, it might go that way. I hope not. Nothing as bland as buying a new iPad iteration with everything only going a little bit faster with a few more pixels.
fatslob-:O said:
Sony and Microsoft would most likely react negatively if they had long term plans for backwards compatibility ... But I highly doubt AMD is going to shelve their baseline GPU architecture anytime soon when it was designed for the future and they intended for it to have hardware extensions from the start of it's release ... (C++ support, extremely fast local atomics, fully bindless architecture, stateless compute, tons of inspiration from Intel Larrabee etc ...) AMD would be insane to throw away years and years worth of current uncapitalized foundation and once all three console manufacturers double down on GCN once more, AMD should lobby Microsoft hard to share more features from the customized DirectX API on Xbox for PC so that they too can thrive while trying to cement GCN as the x86 of GPUs with future iterations or hardware extensions ... If AMD does decide to ditch GCN in favour of something else then I guess all three console maufacturers can try to bribe AMD to the high heavens while funding some of the latter's R&D expenses to extend the GCN architecture since the former will probably still get a better deal than the latter's competitor ... There's a positive side effect to becoming more like PCs since it'll streamline game development and there's more guarantees of backwards compatibility ... |
I doubt they would expend a lot of money to keep AMD from changing their architeture... if the new one brings more power for less cost why keep the old one? For Backward Compatibility? We have seen time and time again how much crap the consumer gives to it (none)
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
Instead of saying "The golden age of console gaming is upon us" I rather believe in a combination of
"The age of console gaming is almost over"
and yet
"The golden age of gaming is upon us."
fatslob-:O said:
Sony and Microsoft would most likely react negatively if they had long term plans for backwards compatibility ... But I highly doubt AMD is going to shelve their baseline GPU architecture anytime soon when it was designed for the future and they intended for it to have hardware extensions from the start of it's release ... (C++ support, extremely fast local atomics, fully bindless architecture, stateless compute, tons of inspiration from Intel Larrabee etc ...) AMD would be insane to throw away years and years worth of current uncapitalized foundation and once all three console manufacturers double down on GCN once more, AMD should lobby Microsoft hard to share more features from the customized DirectX API on Xbox for PC so that they too can thrive while trying to cement GCN as the x86 of GPUs with future iterations or hardware extensions ... If AMD does decide to ditch GCN in favour of something else then I guess all three console maufacturers can try to bribe AMD to the high heavens while funding some of the latter's R&D expenses to extend the GCN architecture since the former will probably still get a better deal than the latter's competitor ... There's a positive side effect to becoming more like PCs since it'll streamline game development and there's more guarantees of backwards compatibility ... |
Sooner or later AMD will hit a wall with the GCN architecture and need something else to continue going forward. Consoles are important for them, no doubt about that, but they can't fall much behind Nvidia in the PC and server market.
When AMD revealed their roadmap, the two listed improvements of Navi were "Next Gen Memory" and "Scalability". While the first thing is quite obvious, we don't know what they mean with "Scalability", but it could include a new architectureto make it happen.
DonFerrari said:
I doubt they would expend a lot of money to keep AMD from changing their architeture... if the new one brings more power for less cost why keep the old one? For Backward Compatibility? We have seen time and time again how much crap the consumer gives to it (none) |
It's true that they don't really care about BC, but that's only one of the problems of having a new architecture. The biggest problem is how they would sell the latest iteration of GCN powered consoles and how they would announce a new one that breaks with the past consoles.
I mean, what would happen if the non-compatible PS/Xbox comes out three years after the latest GCN powered PS/Xbox, that were priced at $450? How would the people that jumped to those last iterations of PS4/X1 react? And what about developers, how would they react? Would they move on and only support the new console(s)? Would they develop for the new consoles and all the past machines, or would they just support the new ones and the latest iterations of PS4/X1?
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JEMC said:
Sooner or later AMD will hit a wall with the GCN architecture and need something else to continue going forward. Consoles are important for them, no doubt about that, but they can't fall much behind Nvidia in the PC and server market. When AMD revealed their roadmap, the two listed improvements of Navi were "Next Gen Memory" and "Scalability". While the first thing is quite obvious, we don't know what they mean with "Scalability", but it could include a new architectureto make it happen.
It's true that they don't really care about BC, but that's only one of the problems of having a new architecture. The biggest problem is how they would sell the latest iteration of GCN powered consoles and how they would announce a new one that breaks with the past consoles. I mean, what would happen if the non-compatible PS/Xbox comes out three years after the latest GCN powered PS/Xbox, that were priced at $450? How would the people that jumped to those last iterations of PS4/X1 react? And what about developers, how would they react? Would they move on and only support the new console(s)? Would they develop for the new consoles and all the past machines, or would they just support the new ones and the latest iterations of PS4/X1? |
What we have seen so far is that once a new gen starts devs migrate to the new platform and release there. If BC is easy to program in the new gen to back gen they may do it, if not they will just carry on as usual.
Actually depending on the gap between the power it's possible that even if keeping same architeture and being possible to easily code for both platforms and even release only one version they will only support last gen for 1 or 2 years, same as always. There doesn't seem to be any real gain in developing to last gen unless it's really simple (like Fifa/PES have been doing for at least since PS2 days).
duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
I like it because it also looks they are starting with buy a game and have it forever atleast they go in that direction.
LOL!
Nah... this is the downfall of the games industry. These new consoles will lead the market to a crash. Who is gonna buy the next gen of consoles knowing a new one is coming 2 years down? Who wants the crappy system that will struggle to run the new games in a couple of years? Sure you want to buy these new consoles knowing new ones are coming down in 2 years?
Consoles are not PC's or phones. They are a different buying process and the simplicity is what makes them appealing. This will make early adoption freefall and next generation will crash.
Your poll is a joke aswell. There is no progress in this. Theres only how to take more of your money from you while giving less for it. It's a scheme, and you are falling for it like a good ducky.
It will most likely fail or prove to be unprofitable and that will be the last of that. At least for a long while. They're just better off profiting from the current hardware then launch new hardware for the next gen when it's time.
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