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Johnw1104 on 07 June 2016
theprof00 said:
Clinton clinched the nomination??
Ummm....do you have a source for this? Because according to the law, she doesn't clinch it until the superdelegates vote

She has superdelegates commited, but their votes haven't been counted yet. It's why they use the phrase "presumptive nominee" for both her and Trump, though technically it's not official.

Besides, all polls point to her winning California shortly, so it's pretty much a done deal.



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tsogud on 07 June 2016

lol both of them suck. Not voting for either.....



 

Mr Puggsly on 07 June 2016
Normchacho said:
Hillary easy. I'm not excited about it. But at least she's a normal human being. Donald Trump is actually a bad person.

Actually, Trump is easily more normal and has actually shown a personality. Trump can be pretty hilarious, I know that as a long time Howard Stern fan.

Have you seen HIlary talk? Just a typical politician, acts like a robot and blames republicans for everything. I don't consider her a great person either and panders for votes. She became extremely left wing just to appeal to Bernie's fans.



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Johnw1104 on 07 June 2016
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She hasn't definitively clinched anything yet, let's be fair here. The supers most likely won't flip unless the FBI recommends indictment, obviously, but that's there's a clear distinction between Supers and pledged delegates. And as Clinton should know from 2008, the Supers aren't loyal until they're 100% forced to lock in.

We've still got a month to go before we are completely positive of the match-up we're getting, and for the first time in years, literally anything could happen between now and July with this crazy cycle. I'm fairly certain CNN is only reporting on this to try and hush down California's primary on Tuesday and wash Sanders away quietly.

If it weren't for the FBI thing this one would be over; that's the only thing that's potentially stopping her at this point. Even still, she's projected to win California, and it really looks like she'll have wrapped it up one way or the other shortly.

If anything, this race has showed that the super delegates positively refuse to back Sanders. If Clinton had a more conventional opponent she'd probably be screwed, but with him being so far from center I imagine she's golden unless some seriously damning information regarding the emails come to light.



Normchacho on 07 June 2016
Johnw1104 said:

Oh I won't argue that Drumpf is positively bizarre and gives no thought to how true something is before he says it. He's truly remarkable in that I'm not sure he's even consciously aware that he's lying at this point, as the veracity of his statements never actually cross his mind. By lying so regularly people have just stopped giving a crap as one just accepts that their five year old sibling is prone to exaggeration and such. The man has lied both in ways that help and hurt him, and he just denies it when people object. I've never seen anything like it.

That said, Clinton seems positively devoid of even an ounce of integrity. I didn't mean to say she's somehow "worse" than trump, but rather that if you're voting to avoid a "bad person" as you put it, I suspect you'll have to look outside of these two for your candidate lol

Fair point. Let me rephrase.

"Hillary easy. I'm not excited about it. But at least I can be fairly confident that she won't throw a tantrum in the middle of a negotiation and get us all killed. Donald Trump is actually a bad/crazy person.



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CosmicSex on 07 June 2016
Johnw1104 said:
CosmicSex said:
Clinton because she has proven to be the more stable of the two. Its really not a hard choice. It is logically unsound to give the type of impulsive human being that Donald projects himself to be the responsibilities of executive office.... with an army.

What's funny, though, is Clinton has been the more Warhawky of the two. We'll soon have a debate where the Republican was against the Iraq war, is an isolationist, and is against free trade, while the Democrat is in favor of free trade, was married to the architect of some of the most important free trade agreements, and voted for both the Afghan and Iraq wars.

 

I have such a morbid curiosity about how these debates will go... hell, Gary Johnson has a great chance of hitting 15% and participating as well.

Thats not whatI am saying.  I am saying that from the evidence I have gathered watching these two candidates actions over the last few months has made it clear that I don't trust him in that position.   As someone mentioned,  Trump is too much of a liability and it would be irresponsible for me too endorse thim at a ballot. Not voting is an endorsement for him in my mind when I have been given more stable alternative. 

Lol in other words he is crazy and I care about the extreme consequences of him being President. 



Normchacho on 07 June 2016
CosmicSex said:

Thats not whatI am saying.  I am saying that from the evidence I have gathered watching these two candidates actions over the last few months has made it clear that I don't trust him in that position.   As someone mentioned,  Drumpf is too much of a liability and it would be irresponsible for me too endorse thim at a ballot. Not voting is an endorsement for him in my mind when I have been given more stable alternative. 

Lol in other words he is crazy and I care about the extreme consequences of him being President. 

Yeah, I agree with this.

I honestly think that Hillary's best chance at winning is people just being flat out terrified of a Drumpf presidency.

 

Edit: A funny/sad message I got sent today in regards to watching the Trump campaign.

"So, Donald Trump...I've been following this issue with the Judge, and...I don't mean to make this comparison...

But I'm starting to feel like a moderate German in 1932"



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Johnw1104 on 07 June 2016
CosmicSex said:
Johnw1104 said:

What's funny, though, is Clinton has been the more Warhawky of the two. We'll soon have a debate where the Republican was against the Iraq war, is an isolationist, and is against free trade, while the Democrat is in favor of free trade, was married to the architect of some of the most important free trade agreements, and voted for both the Afghan and Iraq wars.

 

I have such a morbid curiosity about how these debates will go... hell, Gary Johnson has a great chance of hitting 15% and participating as well.

Thats not whatI am saying.  I am saying that from the evidence I have gathered watching these two candidates actions over the last few months has made it clear that I don't trust him in that position.   As someone mentioned,  Trump is too much of a liability and it would be irresponsible for me too endorse thim at a ballot. Not voting is an endorsement for him in my mind when I have been given more stable alternative. 

Lol in other words he is crazy and I care about the extreme consequences of him being President. 

I don't trust him either. Really, it's not "Donald Trump" that's running for president, as in the man you can go back and see in interviews from the 80's through early 2000's. Rather, it's his reality TV persona that has run, and it has him floating about without any kind of foundation to stand on. We know his past stances, but as of this moment his current ones can literally change three times over the course of a day (such as his waffling position on abortion recently). He is doing nothing more than saying whatever appears to be most popular and gets the most cheers, and if he misfires he simply denies that stance and adopts a more popular one.

He's the political equivalent to Mr. Magoo, flailing about blindly but somehow having it work out for him in the end. It's really rather remarkable. In the end, his one appeal is that he's (clearly) not a puppet of one party or the other, and that alone seems to be winning people over.



Normchacho on 07 June 2016
Johnw1104 said:

Personally, I think we need the option "Leave Office Vacant" on the ballots this time around. We'll regroup in four years.

I think we need a "Nope! Fuck this! We're starting the primaries over again and neither of these two are allowed to run!"



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animegaming on 07 June 2016

no way i am voting for either of these assholes.