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GribbleGrunger said:
SWORDF1SH said:

But did PS4 win NPD? If yes, I can't see how you can disagree with him?

Weird, isn't it. Just goes to show you that something that's 100% accurate can't always be trusted ... and you'd be a complete idiot to discuss this 100% accuracy outside of the Amazon thread.

*snap*

Amazon is a great indicator, so long as you apply common sense. Last month (or was it March, can't remember) saw the MSRP drop from $350 to $300. Amazon has always been $300 for months at that point so consumers who don't shop at Amazon saw the effects of the price drop. Last month also had the GameStop trade in which likely accounted for a good portion of sales. For those who check hourly charts regularly, you could see the Xbox slowly drop as the deal took effect before bouncing back to its typical position. 

 

The only other month where Amazon was "inaccurate" was only if you ignored preorders from previous months. 



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Mazzy said:
iNathan said:
Most small devs went digital only since it saves them money, NPD needs to start tracking digital or they will be less important in the near future.

Retail market is now AAA only pretty much while digital is now very indie centric with most games coming from PSN STEAM AND XBL.

Steamspy is invaluable for digital data. I feel something identical for PSN would definitely be possible considering how PSNP works, someone just has to set up the site.

So, Someone need to sneak into Sony's headquarters and place a counter of digital activity ?.



Swordmasterman said:
Mazzy said:

Steamspy is invaluable for digital data. I feel something identical for PSN would definitely be possible considering how PSNP works, someone just has to set up the site.

So, Someone need to sneak into Sony's headquarters and place a counter of digital activity ?.

No, that's what I'm saying is that PSNP already crawls PSN and has trophy databases right when they appear even before the game has any owners. PSNP as it is now is largely a trophy hunters website used by a fraction of the community (skewing heavily towards hardcore gamers), so its owners for each game can vary from any where from 10-15% of the true amount to 1-3%. But with the way PSNP works, I imagine it would be real easy to convert that to a site that works similar to SteamSpy and could give very accurate amount of owners (although this would be digital+physical with no way to differentiate). As it is right now, you have to put your PSN ID into PSNP and it will generate a profile page for you.

The only hurdle I imagine is that ~1% of Steam accounts are private, while I imagine that number is much higher on PS4 since trophies are just grouped with the rest of your private information when you make a PSN account on PS4 and you have to select whether to make them public or private (which could be set to just friends or set to friends of friends, but it still wouldn't be visible to PSNP). And I'd imagine the demographics for private vs. non-private are slightly different, and I'd imagine at the very least that most trophy hunters/hardcore gamers have it public.

I mean no one had really considered Steamspy until it happened, and I don't in any way know the logistics of Steamspy and how that would translate to PSN, but I do think there are a lot of parallels and if someone were to put in the work, it could probably be done. 



Mazzy said:

Amazon is a great indicator, so long as you apply common sense. Last month (or was it March, can't remember) saw the MSRP drop from $350 to $300. Amazon has always been $300 for months at that point so consumers who don't shop at Amazon saw the effects of the price drop. Last month also had the GameStop trade in which likely accounted for a good portion of sales. For those who check hourly charts regularly, you could see the Xbox slowly drop as the deal took effect before bouncing back to its typical position. 

 

The only other month where Amazon was "inaccurate" was only if you ignored preorders from previous months. 

As long as you follow how well those pre-orders are doing then you have a 'rough' idea of who will win that month, but it's always difficult to call.



 

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GribbleGrunger said:
Mazzy said:

Amazon is a great indicator, so long as you apply common sense. Last month (or was it March, can't remember) saw the MSRP drop from $350 to $300. Amazon has always been $300 for months at that point so consumers who don't shop at Amazon saw the effects of the price drop. Last month also had the GameStop trade in which likely accounted for a good portion of sales. For those who check hourly charts regularly, you could see the Xbox slowly drop as the deal took effect before bouncing back to its typical position. 

 

The only other month where Amazon was "inaccurate" was only if you ignored preorders from previous months. 

As long as you follow how well those pre-orders are doing then you have a 'rough' idea of who will win that month, but it's always difficult to call.

Amazon has been aways right since the beggining of the year.



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Aura7541 said:
Ryng_Tolu said:
Dark Souls 3 (PS4) - 353,000
Dark Souls 3 (XBO) - 151,000

The sales splits for FFXV and KHIII are going to be extremely fun to watch.

The biggest split I'm waiting for. 2 of the 3(Type-0 HD) only Japanese games on Xbox One, SE has announced this gen.



Shadow1980 said:
ZhugeEX said:

Both

Ah. I see. That actually might make a big difference. I wonder how much of all that decline since 2009 was due to how grossly overinflated the market was last generation. Home consoles sales were arguably way more than they would have been otherwise thanks to the Wii selling well (it was responsible for about 75% of all gen-over-gen console sales growth), and the handheld market shattered expectations, with the DS selling more at its peak than any hardware platform ever and the PSP being the first non-Nintendo handheld to perform well (the GBA also overperformed in the U.S. relative to Europe and Japan). The Wii U's struggles, the inability of the 3DS to replicate the DS's success (a likely insurmountable task even ignoring other factors), and the utter failure of the Vita have caused a big reduction in the overall size of the hardware market from its peak in 2008 (the PS4 & XBO are so far performing quite well in combined sales compared to their predecessors, as shown in my usual charts in these threads). A combination of the shrinkage of the handheld market, Nintendo's troubles with the Wii U, and the general dynamics of the console cycle could be a major contributing factor in the decline of software sales.


Of course, there's also fewer publishers and fewer games, but there's still some ambiguities. How many of those publishers were drawn in by the seventh-gen bubble and left when that bubble popped, how many were those were simply unable to deal with the financial realities of modern AAA development, and how many of those were simply gobbled up by other companies? As for the number of games published, how many of those were themselves a symptom of the hardware sales glut (esp. for handhelds) and how many were due to the higher number of publishers (a smaller amount of big companies could in principle publish as many titles as a bunch of smaller developers)? Handhelds especially were mostly exclusives, and the DS and PSP brought in a ton of unique titles, plus the lower costs of development meant extant publishers could theoretically release more titles for their buck than they could for home systems, especially for the 360 & PS3.

Unfortunately, without a more detailed breakdown going back further than 2009 (preferably back to 2000, if not earlier) as well as the software sales & number of titles split between handhelds and consoles, it'll be hard to clarify all the causal factors at work here.

So the home console market did nearly the same in 2014 and 2015 on USA ?.



Shadow1980 said:
Swordmasterman said:

So the home console market did nearly the same in 2014 and 2015 on USA ?.

Yes. While current-gen systems were up YoY, continuing rapid decline in last-gen console sales effectively negated it:

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It seems the huge lack of pricecuts for last gen has negatively affected effective total hardware sales this gen. I honestly was expecting PS3 to get price cut years ago and leg out to 100m, but it is apparent without price cuts that it would be impossible. This has also slightly helped the new gen sales early gen.


And by slightly I mean that without software early gen these consoles don't move as fast as a late gen pricecut would.



SWORDF1SH said:
konnichiwa said:

I am not sure how you can disagree with him? on the early days on vgchartz people posted seals clubbed to death if someone made a comment based on the amazon sales.   This month proves why.  I am totally fine that people in the april amazon thread post stuff as 'the gap in sales between PS4 and Xbox will be huge' 'and PS4 is killing it' but it gets annoying when people use amazon for serious sales discussions outside the amazon thread.  

But did PS4 win NPD? If yes, I can't see how you can disagree with him?

But it is not about winning or not, just create a thread 'who will win May's NPD?' and I can promised you the majority probably end up right.  My point is =>  Amazon April showed (one of) the biggest gaps between PS4 and Xbox one in sales ranking => NPD shows (one of) the smallest gaps ever.    100% maybe accurate on the one who won but people who would write a sales analysis based on the Amazon sales rankings are 100% wasting their time and I am fine if people do so in the amazon thread but it is annoying when someone use the sales ranking outside the amazon thread. I think it was Leo-J was posted that it will be a close one this month between xone and PS4 and compared to the amazon Sales ranking he is a prophet;






konnichiwa said:
SWORDF1SH said:

But did PS4 win NPD? If yes, I can't see how you can disagree with him?

But it is not about winning or not, just create a thread 'who will win May's NPD?' and I can promised you the majority probably end up right.  My point is =>  Amazon April showed (one of) the biggest gaps between PS4 and Xbox one in sales ranking => NPD shows (one of) the smallest gaps ever.    100% maybe accurate on the one who won but people who would write a sales analysis based on the Amazon sales rankings are 100% wasting their time and I am fine if people do so in the amazon thread but it is annoying when someone use the sales ranking outside the amazon thread. I think it was Leo-J was posted that it will be a close one this month between xone and PS4 and compared to the amazon Sales ranking he is a prophet;

Well you're arguing about something else, not sure why you had an issue with GG's comment and then go off on a tangent about something else. If you want to discredit Amazon data because of a few people, fine it's ups to you. But the times I've been in there some people talk about deals and offers that are going on elsewhere that might offset the the Amazon data too, not that Amazon data is be all end all. The more sensible people are aware that good deals going on at other places should be taken into account but Amazon data is still quite reliable. Hense why I and GG have an issue with people call the data useless.

Anyway I'm defending something I shouldn't have too. Maybe next time you want to pull somebody up on what they said, stick to the point. So why do you think the Amazon data is useless?