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KLXVER on 29 April 2016
Hiku said:
KLXVER said:

Thats silly. Then anyone can walk in and say "Hey Nintendo, I want to invest millions of dollars into your company, but I need to know all your upcoming plans.......oh thats what you have planned?....never mind then"

They wouldn't meet with just anyone. If they're sitting down to talk to you, then that means you are potentially going to invest so much that you become a major share holder, and you have a history to prove you are a sincere investor.

Major shareholders are not only filled in just for the sake of being informed of where their money is going, but also because their control stock is significant enough to allow them to exert a controlling influence on the firm's decisions.
Remember when Capcom decided some of their I.P.'s were up for sale? That was due to a majority shareholder decision. Because they were not happy with the ways things were going. So it's not as simple as "they can just sell their stock if they're not happy".

None of Capcoms IPs were up for sale. Why? Because Capcom didnt want to. Investors have no saying in that. They can make suggestion and threats all they want, but its the company that decides. You invest in a company based on educated guesses, the companys history and reputation, how much you believe in them and their product etc... You are not a Nintendo employee. You are just someone who wants to make money.



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zorg1000 on 29 April 2016
KLXVER said:
zorg1000 said:

Based on that logic, Nintendo should delay NX to 2020 because that gives them a further 4 years to develop more launch titles.

No, sitting on finished products for extended periods of time when your company needs new products to boost sales makes no business sense whatsoever.

Well according to some they will be sitting on a finished product for about 5 months soon...

Ya and if they delay further to November 2017 than those games will be ready for a full year and all the games from March 2017-October 2017 will be delayed despite being complete.

At this point you are just arguing for the sake of argument and not really making much sense.



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KLXVER on 29 April 2016
zorg1000 said:
KLXVER said:

Well according to some they will be sitting on a finished product for about 5 months soon...

Ya and if they delay further to November 2017 than those games will be ready for a full year and all the games from March 2017-October 2017 will be delayed despite being complete.

At this point you are just arguing for the sake of argument and not really making much sense.

Well we`ll see if the NX has droughts or not...



superchunk on 29 April 2016

While NX was not yet given a date, internally they definitely had a launch plan well over a year ago. With that in mind you can state the launch was delayed or rather their plan was changed prior to a public announcement.

I believe the plan was moved from a holiday launch to March for a few reasons.
Data:
1) Consoles have been launching in holidays for a few gens now because its more lucrative.
2) Zelda U was definitely NOT going to be launched without being at same time on U/NX.
3) Zelda U was originally delayed to be NX-ified from a 2015 to a 2016 launch.
4) Nintendo announced a new platform called NX in early 2015.

Questions:
1) Why would they move Zelda to "2016" if they had not been planning for a possible NX 2016 launch?
2) Why would they tease NX so early in 2015 if they had not been planning to release in 2016?

Conclusion:
Nintendo intended to launch in 2016. However, game and possibly hardware development was not at a level where holiday 2016 was achievable, therefore they moved it to March 2017.



KLXVER on 29 April 2016
superchunk said:
While NX was not yet given a date, internally they definitely had a launch plan well over a year ago. With that in mind you can state the launch was delayed or rather their plan was changed prior to a public announcement.

I believe the plan was moved from a holiday launch to March for a few reasons.
Data:
1) Consoles have been launching in holidays for a few gens now because its more lucrative.
2) Zelda U was definitely NOT going to be launched without being at same time on U/NX.
3) Zelda U was originally delayed to be NX-ified from a 2015 to a 2016 launch.
4) Nintendo announced a new platform called NX in early 2015.

Questions:
1) Why would they move Zelda to "2016" if they had not been planning for a possible NX 2016 launch?
2) Why would they tease NX so early in 2015 if they had not been planning to release in 2016?

Conclusion:
Nintendo intended to launch in 2016. However, game and possibly hardware development was not at a level where holiday 2016 was achievable, therefore they moved it to March 2017.

Could have been intended for holiday 2017, but Nintendo realized that they would have no games between holiday 2016 through October 2017 for the WiiU, so they moved the launch to march 2017.



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Lonely_Dolphin on 29 April 2016
KLXVER said:

Could have been intended for holiday 2017, but Nintendo realized that they would have no games between holiday 2016 through October 2017 for the WiiU, so they moved the launch to march 2017.

 

Probably not a wise move to quote a post that makes what you're saying impossible nonsense.



Wyrdness on 29 April 2016
Hiku said:

They wouldn't meet with just anyone. If they're sitting down to talk to you, then that means you are potentially going to invest so much that you become a major share holder, and you have a history to prove you are a sincere investor.

Major shareholders are not only filled in just for the sake of being informed of where their money is going, but also because their control stock is significant enough to allow them to exert a controlling influence on the firm's decisions.
Remember when Capcom decided some of their I.P.'s were up for sale? That was due to a majority shareholder decision. Because they were not happy with the ways things were going. So it's not as simple as "they can just sell their stock if they're not happy".

That's not entirely true tbh I work in the financial industry it's not as simple as owning shares and you have control the are numerous factors, he's actually right in the fact that if they're unhappy they just sell, for example what is available to buy on the stock market may never be enough to have a controlling stake in a company, I know Nintendo themselves own a large enough bulk of their own shares to always have control.

Another thing of note is that buying shares on the market doesn't give you contractual control of the going ons in a company, you're simply investing in the company to make a return, a company is not actually required to tell share holders anything until their usual reports to notify you of the company's performance and future plans, they don't need to call you up when they have an idea even if you're a major shareholder. Shareholders at most can pressure for a move to be made but a company doesn't have to act on the pressure, for example Nintendo have a tonne of money despite their problems, in the long run they're fine so investors pulling out and selling doesn't affect them as much as a company like Capcom who need the money a lot more than anything else.



KLXVER on 29 April 2016
Einsam_Delphin said:
KLXVER said:

Could have been intended for holiday 2017, but Nintendo realized that they would have no games between holiday 2016 through October 2017 for the WiiU, so they moved the launch to march 2017.

 

Probably not a wise move to quote a post that makes what you're saying impossible nonsense.

Most of the things he says could be true in the case of a holiday 2017 release.



KLXVER on 29 April 2016
Hiku said:
KLXVER said:

None of Capcoms IPs were up for sale. Why? Because Capcom didnt want to. Investors have no saying in that. They can make suggestion and threats all they want, but its the company that decides. You invest in a company based on educated guesses, the companys history and reputation, how much you believe in them and their product etc... You are not a Nintendo employee. You are just someone who wants to make money.

Although I don't know where the info on the IP's came from, but Capcom was indeed up for sale in 2014 after major shareholders decided on it.

"Capcom Up For Sale After Shareholders Reject Anti-Takeover Plan.
Capcom announced yesterday that it has not renewed the company’s takeover defense, meaning that it’s now open to buyout from another third party interest. This measure was put in place in 2008 to prevent a third-party takeover from stock purchases, but due to lack of investor interest in renewing the objective, the company is now open to buyout should another company buy a large amount of its stock."

"Since 2008, Japanese developer Capcom has had a takeover defence plan in place to stop the company from being bought out by other parties, and this has been renewed every two years since. It outlined several options for the company should it be faced by a potential large-scale share investor, and one of these options was a "Poison Pill" plan. This would involve the company giving further stock to its pre-existing shareholders to dilute the buying company’s influence on the company. However, this plan also came with a possible scenario that would require the shareholders to buy the stock themselves or face dilution of their shares as well.

Whether it’s down to this scenario or down to Capcom as a company — it isn't clear — it seems that the shareholders aren't happy with something as after a recent shareholders meeting, they have opted not to renew the plan and thus leave the company open to purchase."

Many companies would jump on the chance. Capcom still has the final say if they want to accept what they are offered or not.



Lonely_Dolphin on 29 April 2016
KLXVER said:

Most of the things he says could be true in the case of a holiday 2017 release.

 

Except Zelda since it was obviously delayed to coincide with NX.