I haven't bought a Ps4, but i will buy the Ps4K Neo.

IMO if Sony really want Ps4K Neo, then they should make it really freaking powerful. It should be able to run games in 4k at 60fps+ & 120fps+ for VR games. I don't give a crap if it is $1000 or $1500, i will buy it. It'll be cheaper over the years, and more people will buy it.

I don't want more than 1 incremental upgrade, that will be hell to game developers.

I really hope the visuals on future PS4 games are toned down. People deserve to experience stable frames and 1080p. All that torture of that poor APU has gone far enough.

Lmfao no. It'll impact performance negatively.

The difference between the two is not that much at all. This idea some people seem to have on various forums about how PS4K games are going to blow away PS4 games.. it's just not going to happen. It's going to be the same games, with the same gameplay, with the same geometry, just slightly better textures, or a more stable framerate, or another tick higher on resolution.

A game like Shadow of Mordor launched on next gen consoles, and a short time later launched on previous gen consoles. The previous gen versions not only looked and ran worse, but they were missing the most fundamental and "next gen" gameplay element, the Nemesis system. With PS4K, this is not even something that is ever going to happen.

Not only is Sony mandating that it cannot happen, but why would devs even work on it? The PS4/Xbone userbase is like 50 million or so, isn't it? The PS4K userbase is 0. And it won't sell like the PS4 did. Why would they neuter their own games for a stop gap hardware version? A niche version.

The people who should have a problem with this in the future are actual PS4K owners. Because, like PC owners, their games will be held back by weaker hardware. Developers won't be able to use that extra PS4K power for anything actually meaningful. Again, according to rumors, this is mandated by Sony. Unless I have this wrong? Someone help me out if I am wrong there.

Bottom line, PS4 owners have nothing to worry about, unless their pride simply cannot stand not having the prettiest console version possible. However, what happens if, down the line, Sony makes the PS4K the de facto PS4 model? Then PS4 owners will have cause to worry. Until then it's a bunch of complaining about nothing important.

There will be less incentive to figure out innovative ways to push more out of the hardware. For example FXAA on PS3 or KZ SF and QB temporal upscaling methods. Why bother with new faster ways to blend animations, or fine tune interaction between threads to save a few cycles if that only means more testing on another hardware spec where faster cpu and memory can wreak havoc on all your assumptions.

And let's look a bit into what NEO can mean for the future. As stated NEO cannot have any new features nor better gameplay, AI, physics, only better graphics. So with less incentive to push more out of the base model, there is also less room for gameplay innovations.
Then what happens in 3 years, another incremental upgrade like many people seem to want? Does that mean games are still restricted by the base model instead of a ps5 in 2019 that is free to upgrade everything? Do developers now have to code for 3 hardware specs?
Or is the base model let go at that point (whoops 10 year support) Or do we get minimum and recommended specs for each game. Nobody bat an eye at the differences between cross gen games, yet how's that going to be with incremental upgrades. Can't stay forwards compatible for 10 years or the games we have now is it for game play.

Bottom line, games will take longer to develop, generate less profit for the work put in, less incentive to innovate.

Well PS5 won't just be more calculating power. It will also have more RAM, cpu cores and likely differences in cpu and gpu architecture. This means that developing games for PS4N and PS5 is much more difficult. So for me the real question is what's going to happen to the PS4N? Is it also going to have longer support than the PS4 and get some PS5 games or is it just going to be an improved PS4 and be replaced at the same time?

Well... I think it should just have faster loading times in games, menu's, store etc and 4K output/upscaling. Everything else seems like they should have announced it way earlier if they didn't want to make current PS4 owners feel bad, if they announced the NEO for say, June next year, all off the above would be fine. I just think Sony should be very honest and clear on what they do so people can adjust their buying behaviour and expectations accordingly.

If Neo launching is a success and sell like hot cakes (and it will) we can prepare for more "refreshed harware" between generations, and to forget about developers squeezing the hardware potential during years. They would work with the initial hardware a couple of years, and wait for the new hardware to take a new step in graphics or tehnology.

At the moment is already irrelevant if MS will follow this path or not, because Sony has already won, and Neo will sell even more. I still hope MS don't do it, at least this generation.

We are going to allow the console market to transform in an awful race between two or three closed hardware manufacturers, releasing hardware each 2/3 years.

At least on PC you have more to choose.

The PS4 Neo is basically the same console but with much higher specs. Once a game is optimized for PS4 it will automatically run better without much if any modifications on the PS4 Neo. For example they may need just to uncap/unlock the frame rate and push the resolution to a constant 1080p if needed. Then the devs can do a second round of optimization just for the new console.

It's more likely that the games that will not fully exploit the console potential will be the ones in the Neo.

It's more like the poll isn't about PS4 vs PS4 neo. Personally I voted what I'd like to see in the Neo, in the poll the PS4 is irrelevant.

Then I must also say that personally I have never been against a powered up PS4. Technically it just makes sense. That's what you get using Intel architecture. It's the same with smartphones or tablets, with some people upgrading each year just to get some more POWAH! With the difference that the OS version in the two PS4 WILL always be the same.