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Frogger on 19 April 2016
Ali_16x said:

How are you so sure? If the PS4 is always used as the base console, how would it be any different from what PS4 owners experience right now? And why wouldn't they do that? Why would they ignore 40+ million users? Do you really think they would be so stupid to do that?

PS4 definitely won't be used as the base console. I absolutely guarantee that. Not for most games. I'm sure because 30fps is still an industry standard. Nobody cares about being modest and having good performance. They care about pushing hardware intensive graphics that the platform can't handle because that's what sells.

And do you really think those 40m+ users will even notice the bad performance? You know Unity sold well, right? You know Fallout 4 sold well, right? You know the Witcher 3 sold well, right? Nobody who buys these games gives a shit if a game performs like ass, and they won't start caring because of NEO. Framerate doesn't sell, and 40m+ users aren't going to just stop buying software in unified protest just because something better exists. They're still going to buy everything, meaning Sony will still take all of their money. Sony wins.

They wouldn't be stupid. They would be forward thinking. Nay - they would be mimmicking a tried and true method that has sold plenty of other electronic devices for over a decade.



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vivster on 19 April 2016
ZahaDoom said:
Bandorr said:

In what way is that bad? Your ps4 can play ps4 games at a regular pace. You lose absolutely nothing. There are no bonus features, no exclusive games, no missing content.

 It creates two classes of citizens. It's a big mistake, and one of the main reason many console gamers are console gamers.

 Do you want to play COD vs someone with a higher framrate or higher resolution? Disparity is disparity anyway you look at it.

I guss that's why nobody ever buys a PC. The disparity is just too big.

I don't really understand why you condone this on PC but on console it's suddenly the greatest sin.



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Ali_16x on 19 April 2016
osed125 said:
Ali_16x said:

Except they also have to worry about the XBO, how would that be different?

LOL, do you think the PS4.5 is a brand new console? Do you think it will be different to develop for than the PS4? All they did was change the graphics options. That does nothing, all they would have to do would be increase the graphics from the regular PS4. All they would do is increase frame rate from the regular PS4 version or include more AA etc. Why do you think that would be hard lol? There is nothing difficult about that.

Do you even know what you are talking about when you talk about PC gaming? How would you have to worry about the specs for the PS4 and PS4.5, LOL there are only two options, one will have better frame rate. How would that complicate anything?

You sound like you are a game developer, which very likely you aren't.

We can't say if it will be easy or hard for the developers because we simple don't know. It makes sense to say that it will be similar, but in reality, 99% of the users here don't know anything about programing on the PS4 and even less on this new NEO version if it ends up being real.

I don't need to be a developer to have common sense. Nothing about this PS4 has changed except the graphics. That means it's not a new console. Developers already face this when they develop for PC so it's not like they don't have experience doing this, nor would be hard. Sure it might be a little annoying for them because it's a little extra work, there is no denying that but let's not exaggerate it by acting like they're developing for a different console. That's why they're saying it's a PS4.5k, and not the PS5. If it was different to develop for, it wouldn't be a PS4.5k, it would be a PS5.



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barneystinson69 on 19 April 2016

So how is this a PS4k? Its a slighly beafed up PS4, which probably will do more damage than good. Splitting a console base is always a bad idea, especially when you're placing different specs in hardware.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Frogger on 19 April 2016
DM235 said:

The iPhone 6 was a complete redesign over the previous iPhone, which is more like the release of a new generation of consoles.  The iPhone 6S is basically a faster version of the iPhone 6, which is more like the PS4.5 that we are debating here.  And how did Apple do with the iPhone 6S?  Not as good as the iPhone 6 launch.

http://bgr.com/2015/10/02/iphone-6s-iphone-6-sales-2/

No it's not, its an incremental upgrade. All iphone 6 software works on the 5. All firmware works on the five.

When Sony is at their 9th revision of the PS4 after almost a decade, then you can talk about the decline of the PS4.9.

Until then, you get look at the 8 years of overwhelming success that led to that slump. A slump that is still a massive success.



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Ali_16x on 19 April 2016
SvennoJ said:
Ali_16x said:

Nobody is paying devs to develop on PS4. They are developing on PS4 so they could just sell their games to PS4 owners, it won't be any different. They would be developing for NEO owners who will buy their game. And most developers already develop for PC, it really wouldn't be different. It's just 1 more platform, and it wouldn't even be 1, it's like .10 of a platform because all they have to do is add graphic options. It wouldn't be that hard.

Exactly my point. Why would they spend any extra effort on a NEO version?
40 million ps4 vs a million ps4 NEO that can run the game as is.

Developers aim for parity, same features, same assets accross consoles, hence XBox One and ps4 versions only really differ in resolution and stability, and the WiiU is ignored. And that's where they can actually make extra money by releasing on platforms with a different user base. There is no extra money for putting extra effort in the NEO version. (Unless they're going to charge for NEO hi-res texture pack DLC etc)
So in the XBox One / PS4 case, perhaps now we get 1080p NEO, 900p ps4, 720p XBox One. That would be the easiest path. Or maybe a pointless 1440p NEO version, ugly upscaled to 4K, yet with the same assets and lod not meant for 4K. Although likely there will be no difference at all, same 1080p version, except with frame pacing issues instead of frame rate drops.

PC development is very different. That's coding to a standard API and it's upto the user to figure out how to get a stable performance. The developers simply give you a recommended spec and the rest is up to you.

No matter what devs do, there is still the extra QA costs for testing and certifying on 2 hardware specs, who is going to pay for that. Who is going to ensure patches are synchronized and won't make online games temporarily incompatible. Or too bad, fixes will simply take twice as long now.

It doesn't matter what they want, it will be required by Sony. It's not any different from what Sony is doing right now with the PS Vita by requiring EVERY developer to support remote play for the Vita on PS4. If they don't support the PS4.5k then they won't be allowed to develop on the PS4. But no one is hell is going to do that. Lol, going by how difficult the PS3 was to develop for, I somehow feel like the PS3 would be more of a annoyance than the PS4+4.5 combined.



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CosmicSex on 19 April 2016

Guys, hold up one second:

GPU AMD GCN, 18 CUs at 800 MHz Improved AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz

This can't be right.  This unit would be extrodinarly more powerful than the PS4

If my calculations are correct, this rumor calls for a system outputing 4.2Tflops compared to 1.84 in the PS4

I really have doubts about this.

Can someone tell me if the what the actual a system memory bandwidth of 218Gb/s would even be enough to feed this GPU?



CosmicSex on 19 April 2016

Also, can someone tells me where a PS4 this powerful leaves the NX? The PS4 would be more powerful than the latest down to earth advantages that the NX had on the PS4.



Ali_16x on 19 April 2016
CosmicSex said:
Also, can someone tells me where a PS4 this powerful leaves the NX? The PS4 would be more powerful than the latest down to earth advantages that the NX had on the PS4.

I think the the latest rumors about the NX by that NeoGAF user 10k were false, he got banned and the Emily person said they were false so we don't know anything about the NX specs yet.



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ABTR on 19 April 2016

Finaly a logical source for the upcoming ps4 slim.

Im sure that ps4k was a joke from developers circle that day the kotaku hear them to talk about. I don't know with some GHZ on cpu and some GB on memory is enough for 4k upscale but sound enough for giving VR developers to have  more power (that i don't care, everyone we want to hear them say 'yeah now is more easy to have 1080p 60 fps in both modes single player and multiplayer')

The confuse to all story is, ps4 slim will be available this year that VR comes also? will be both on a bundle for 500$?