binary solo said:
pokoko said:
Again, source. Otherwise I'm going to assume you're making this up based entirely on your own preconceptions and that it has nothing to do with any official studies by the military. If you do have a source saying that this is an observed behavior in military testing then I would like to read it.
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It's got nothing to do with the military. This is ingrained in our culture, in our popular culture and our historcal gender division. These ingrained beliefs unconsciously affect our decision-making.
In terms of the study in that article there are some major biases in the study that make it a very flawed study, and the article identifies that.
"The average male Marine in the study weighed 178 lbs. and had 20% body fat. The average woman weighed 142 lbs. and had 24% body fat." Body fat is largely irrelevant, but if you pit a group of men with an averafge body weight of 178lbs vs a grou of men with an average body weight of 142lbs you will most likely get a similar outcome. Hence that is a methodological bias which will affect the outcome of the study which actually has nothing to do with gender. If your group of women had na average body weight of 178lbs and 24% body fat then my hypothesis is that there would be little to no difference.
Also "Officials cautioned against drawing too many conclusions from the study. Better training and screening could boost female performance, for example. "We can get better on injuries," Weinberg said. "We can get better on strength. We can get better on training." And "once women have had more experience in the infantry their performance will rise. "The women don’t have the training that men had to begin with,".
The study was flawed. But importantly it showed that minimum standards can't be compromised to achieve some kind of quota. If the women are required to make the same standard as men squad gender make up should become irrelevant to performance.
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So you're fighting the preconceptions of others with your own preconceptions. Unless what you said was identified in the study then it had nothing to do with the results. You have absolutly no idea if the soldiers in the test were being "white knights". If anything, the article cited real, physical reasons why the male soldiers had to help some of the female soldiers. No where did it imply that it was for less than professional reasons.
As for the part about the weight, you're really reaching. Good luck getting a group of women averaging 180 pounds with 24% body fat. That's unrealistic and isn't going to happen. If women are going to participate in combat then they're always going to be smaller on average than men and they're going to have to deal with it. No one stops to check your weight before they try to kill you.
Regarding the results of the study, they will never have perfect conditions. Obviously they need to keep running the tests but you do not throw out the first results simply because you don't like them. The spokesperson said they can improve on injuries, strength, and training; that's good, and I'm sure they're working on plans for that, but they still have to run through again and see if the work produces any real world results. There is a bottom line here that's very serious, as it deals with the lives of human beings, and it has nothing to do with being fair. If the integrated units improve to within an acceptable deviation then they should be given the greenlight. If not then they need to re-evaluate.