i agree with all that!

exactly!

Don't blame consoles, maybe you should ask Square to stop being so lame ...

The technical side of graphics in general interests me.

Also, while I don't plan on buying FFXV, I'd prefer that it not release with performance similar to the demo, as that could set a precedent for others devs to release games with similar framerate issues, potentially including games I do want to buy.

What does that have to do with what I said? Witcher 3 took several months after launch to be polished and smooth. After Duscae -> Duscae 2.0, I'd imagine that the game will continue sharpen and be optimized. As many have showed, there's a lot of bizarre things being done with Platinum demo (like AA and resolution increasing just when press the pause button), and it really doesn't matter as it's not in the game.

And this is why the elite and the ordinary can't get along. Console gamers can't hear the truth from down there. Except for Nintendo fans, but that's because the foundations are connected to the upper levels.

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Kidding! Lets all be friends and acknowledge that both sides in this discussion have understandable reasons to feel the way they do.

I think the graphics looks fine as they are

What does it have to do with what you said? Oh perhaps the fact you claimed that a last gen engine that chugs all over the place is a bigger technical showcase than a new gen engine that performs better.

The showcase is bad. The engine is the same, so the potencial for things to go horribly wrong is there. Let's hope it isn't though, but with the aftertaste of this demo i'm not sure i'm interested to risk it. Will probably wait for reviews. >.<

These games play pretty much like interactive movies and therfore are looking maybe a little bit better (The Order 1886) ecstatically . But you cant say they are more demanding on the hardware or a better graphical showcase than any other game having vastly more interactivity and land scape like FF15. Espacially the order was so limited how can you argue this is more demanding?

Everything what you see in FF15 is inetractive, you can spell any magic at any given time in a fight. On Uncharted 4 you cant choose if you want to grab your hook on a car and chasing it, its only one scripted sequenz that does that. Do you get the difference?

Most of the fenzy stuff you see in these games are pretty much scripted events. Quantum break is all scripted you cant control the time in this game at all. 

Uncharted 4 without scripted events/pure gameplay

Final Fantasy 15 without scripted events/pure gameplay

The only scripted event in FF15 will the water chasing scenes other than that its pure interactive. 

You can see that FF15 renders 4 highly detailed characters every time as well. It has giant monsters, different enemy types, spells at any givene moment, better art syle, open world, better lighting, better alpha effect etc. etc.

And also better characters models definitely in the real time cutscenes.

Yet somehow according to you games like the Order 1886 which can only render one Wolf in real time is supposed to be more demanding?

nope

It's not that the consoles aren't powerful enough, it's that Luminous is a mess of an engine and won't be used again. Seeing there are games with open areas that look as good on PS4: Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4. I said open areas because both UC4 and FFXV will featue large areas but aren't true open world games.

or even Battlefront

I really love the look of FFXV and wish the engine was optimized better, hope they salvage the engine. Luminous 2.0 needs to happen.