Dodece said: @fooflexible I applaud Microsoft for their actions. They just took a giant leap in my estimation. There are too many companies that do a lousy job of cracking down on cheaters, and those self absorbed players hurt everyones experience. Doing anything outside of the standard rules to obtain a higher score no matter your motivation is considered to be cheating, and it has always been so for three decades no less. Your the modern equivalent of the guy who used to tilt pinball machines, or the guy who would tag team a game to get the highest score in the arcade. Those were unfair antics then, and they are unfair antics now. You ruin honest players experience with your underhanded behavior. Honest players work hard to unlock their achievements, and it isn't about the entirety of your score. Every achievement is prominently displayed for those who are interested. Why do players work hard to unlock some ask. Well its for the same reason you play any game. The sense of accomplishment, and the sense of self worth. You demean those who put the effort forward by abusing the system. What your not telling everyone in this thread is this. You absolutely cheated to up your gamer score, or more to the point you were happy to have it go up thanks to your cheating ways. Your reputation matters to you, and getting extra points tagged onto your gamer card made you feel even better about your choice. Otherwise you wouldn't be throwing your childish tantrum. Your ill gotten reputation is ruined. Which is should have been. Were you sincere in your belief you wouldn't really care that Microsoft busted you since you weren't concerned about your reputation or your gamer score to begin with. You brought this upon yourself, and you deserve the full measure your getting. Don't blame Microsoft for keeping the environment fair for all players who collect achievements. Were you sincere about not caring then why complain at all. Microsoft is merely highlighting the fact that you are a non competitive player. I am proud of my gamer score it may not be huge, but I know how hard I worked to get some of them, and when I see my friends have high scores I am proud of them, and if they are higher then me on a game I love I feel the need to get a little farther. Microsoft isn't stopping you from using your machine of your online service. You on the other hand were hurting my gaming experience.

 So your basicly calling me a liar and I'm the one ruining the entire gaming world. And your wondering why I'm throwing tantrum? Look I haven't called anyone a name or anything, I'more annoyed by people in the forum then MS I'm annoyed that people like yourself are so upset by cheaters, but see nothing ehtically wrong with calling someone a liar who you don't even know. The bottom line is I didn't lie, I've donwloaded one gamesave for one 360 game, and many for other systems. And never for the sake of a score(before the 360 there was no gamerscore in fact the ps3 and wii gamesave community are more popular then the 360 game save community and they don't have gamerscores, so obviously there is more and better reasons then that to download gamessaves.).  Honestly in my mind high gamerscores just make you look you have to much time on your hands to play games, most of my friends I'm embaressed to tell them how many games I play, they don't play games we are all older and are married with kids  and have more important things to be doing then worrying about achievments(escpecially when they don't unlock prizes). There is no pride at all in a gamescore, because there are so many games with stupid ones that can pump your figure up. and it's totally a scam to get you to buy crap just for that reason. What pride would there be in me downloading a halo 3 save so I could have 1000 achievment points in it then I suck online? It would make me look like an idiot, people would be like what the hell you got all those achievements but you suck!!!  It would make me look worse. The only gaming pride i have is when i'm good enough to win online against people or  do well on my team. And for the record I have never played unfairly online or at the arcade, but I've been screwed over by unfair gameplay endorsed by Microsoft!!!! Like when they allowed silver accounts to play Halo 3 just to boost Halo 3s number against COD4, tons of gold members that rank 40+ in Halo started silver accounts and played social slayer with a level 1 guy, and slaughtered me over and over.  The funny thing is I doubt I'll show up on the list I used 1 gamesave over a year ago, and can't play that game again since the disk is scratched. It's highly unlikely that they'll brand me a cheater. If they do fine, I don't care about the gamerscore, I'm a little annoyed that a company i've given so much to would find a way to insult it's cosumer without warning. If they took away my cheated points and just warned me that would be fine, but this wasn't standard policy day one, It shouldn't be retroactive.

Grey Acumen said:

 Because this deserves to be on the second page as well. =P

You really think Microsoft could find more entertaining ways to waste time and money then going after "Gamerscore" cheaters. Especially considering what a croc Gamerscores are with games like King Kong, Avatar, and CSI where you can get a 1000 points in a rental, and where as Bewjeweled 2 has a single 10 point achievement that takes on average 250 hours of playtime to unlock.

But there a big company, so I guess they've got time and money to spare. =P 

@fooflexible

You dumbfound me sir. You cheated on a game over a year ago, and can no longer play that game. You say your gaming score does not matter to you. Yet in the last year you have not decided to delete your save file or the attached achievements from your system. Knowing full well you were not awarded them fairly. Nor have you even bothered to check your system to see if Microsoft even bothered with your as you put it minor infraction of the rules of good sportsmanship.

You claim Microsoft was unfair not to provide warnings. Microsoft has cracked down on cheaters in the past with no warning. They have explicitly stated they would go after cheaters. They provide a system to report cheaters, and it transcends stupidity to provide prior warning. Otherwise the cheaters will protect themselves by unhooking their machine, or transferring data on to cards. So they can hide from the purge, and return a week later no worse for ware.

Your quite obviously a liar. That score mattered to you, and you didn't feel the least bit remorseful seeing as there is no rational reason to retain it. Other posters have said it cheating is cheating. I would prefer not to consider you staggeringly stupid. You brought this upon yourself if Microsoft has nailed you. You had ample warning. What the attack on modified machines last year wasn't enough of a wakeup call for you.

You really are throwing a tantrum. Your blaming everyone but yourself. The true cheaters mentality. When you get caught cheating grow from the experience, and the gamer score is verifiable record for gamers to brag about their accomplishments. Like fishermen taking pictures, athletes receiving trophies, and students receiving diplomas. How would you look on a fisherman doctoring photos, Athletes that use drugs, or people doctoring up documents that said they attended and graduated from your school. The reality is that those points matter to a lot of gamers they are a form of competitive fun, and when you cheat to get ahead it isn't fair.

How many ways do we have to explain to you that cheating is wrong. You owe it to yourself and to others to play fair, and if the game doesn't matter to you then you shouldn't play. What is your problem the fact that Microsoft is hurting your feelings. Your angry that they are insensitive to your desires. What of you with your bogus score how insensitive is that to those that are taking the game seriously.

Your not sorry for what you did that much is obvious. Your only sorry that you may have been caught. Which has as much to do with your poor frame of mind as your own stupidity. You probably do not even realize that we are all laughing at your misery. Nobody here feels sorry for you. Maybe just maybe, because we are all honest players, and love to see a cheater get what is coming to them.

Dodece said: @fooflexible You dumbfound me sir. You cheated on a game over a year ago, and can no longer play that game. You say your gaming score does not matter to you. Yet in the last year you have not decided to delete your save file or the attached achievements from your system. Knowing full well you were not awarded them fairly. Nor have you even bothered to check your system to see if Microsoft even bothered with your as you put it minor infraction of the rules of good sportsmanship. You claim Microsoft was unfair not to provide warnings. Microsoft has cracked down on cheaters in the past with no warning. They have explicitly stated they would go after cheaters. They provide a system to report cheaters, and it transcends stupidity to provide prior warning. Otherwise the cheaters will protect themselves by unhooking their machine, or transferring data on to cards. So they can hide from the purge, and return a week later no worse for ware. Your quite obviously a liar. That score mattered to you, and you didn't feel the least bit remorseful seeing as there is no rational reason to retain it. Other posters have said it cheating is cheating. I would prefer not to consider you staggeringly stupid. You brought this upon yourself if Microsoft has nailed you. You had ample warning. What the attack on modified machines last year wasn't enough of a wakeup call for you. You really are throwing a tantrum. Your blaming everyone but yourself. The true cheaters mentality. When you get caught cheating grow from the experience, and the gamer score is verifiable record for gamers to brag about their accomplishments. Like fishermen taking pictures, athletes receiving trophies, and students receiving diplomas. How would you look on a fisherman doctoring photos, Athletes that use drugs, or people doctoring up documents that said they attended and graduated from your school. The reality is that those points matter to a lot of gamers they are a form of competitive fun, and when you cheat to get ahead it isn't fair. How many ways do we have to explain to you that cheating is wrong. You owe it to yourself and to others to play fair, and if the game doesn't matter to you then you shouldn't play. What is your problem the fact that Microsoft is hurting your feelings. Your angry that they are insensitive to your desires. What of you with your bogus score how insensitive is that to those that are taking the game seriously. Your not sorry for what you did that much is obvious. Your only sorry that you may have been caught. Which has as much to do with your poor frame of mind as your own stupidity. You probably do not even realize that we are all laughing at your misery. Nobody here feels sorry for you. Maybe just maybe, because we are all honest players, and love to see a cheater get what is coming to them.

OH my god!!! You know I thought you were serious before. You had me so worked up. Sorry I thought your judging me as a person, I'm like who would even say this about anyone. I was so upset. Sometimes its hard to tell when people are joking on here. I'm like dude I just play games to wind down after work, it's not a job... Now I feel stupid for getting worked up. anyway very funny!

Well I'll let you all know if I make this list, looking back on it, it should be funny. maybe I'll make it my new icon. 

^everybody happy yeah

This is an extreme example of cheating:
http://www.360voice.com/tag/StripClubDj
If you look on the right side you will notice a single day score of nearly 40k.

@fooflexible
How come you are so pissed at losing your GS if you think it's a stupid idea? Also the Burnout Paradise example is a good one, having cars or guns or whatever that you haven't earned gives you an advantage you don't deserve. Regardless of other people being better than you, if you do play someone of equal skill, YOU have an unfair advantage.

Mistershine said: This is an extreme example of cheating: http://www.360voice.com/tag/StripClubDj If you look on the right side you will notice a single day score of nearly 40k. @fooflexible How come you are so pissed at losing your GS if you think it's a stupid idea? Also the Burnout Paradise example is a good one, having cars or guns or whatever that you haven't earned gives you an advantage you don't deserve. Regardless of other people being better than you, if you do play someone of equal skill, YOU have an unfair advantage.

 Your not allowed to play someone better then you, if you use the game save it forces you to play better players, BUT the developer programmed in an unfair advantage for people who bought the game that got promo cars with some of the best stats in the game, so I got smoked most of the time buy a kid driving a Circuit City car. 

I'm actually not that pissed, and the more I think about it, it makes sense, it's that when I read about it, I felt like MS was going to come after me for downloading one stupid thing along time ago. And the whole shame list seems offensive to customers that spent alot of money. But I'm more annoyed when I felt like I'm being attacked on the forums, and accused of being a liar, before I realized Dodece was just messing with me. 

I don't have a problem with GS cheaters, like someone else said, my GS is a little over 7k and I know I worked hard to get all of those points, if some one like stripclubdj wants to glitch his way to 100k then thats his lookout.

PS: here are some codes for you to get the circuit city car, and some others:
Steel Wheels car: G23X 5K8Q GX2V 04B1
Walmart Racer: walmart
Best Buy car: bestbuy
GameStop car: gamestop
Circuit City Hot Rod: circuitcity

If you cheat, and you don't think anything is wrong with it, then you shouldn't have any issues with people calling you a cheater. I mean, heck, if some scientist came up and spat out "you CHRISTIAN!" at me, even if he meant it to be offensive, I wouldn't care. To compound this issue: This is the internet. No one knows you, no one cares.

If you do think something is wrong with cheating, which should be the only reason you care if you are called that, then DON'T DO IT.

Really, it's pretty simple.

I really do not care what MS does with the cheaters. If you are a cheater you will always know you never accomplished what you claim to have no matter what it is. I love getting credit for my gaming abilities. I really do not understand what the point is in cheating for a higher gamerscore. All it is to me is a number. I am not going to say that I do not enjoy seeing myself get rewarded for my skills. I would rather enjoy my game even if I do not increase a number.