I find it interesting, this is just like a backward compatible console, which is great... I have not yet seen a sane argument against it, PS4 games will be like ps4 games today compared to their PC counterpart... PS4K will be that much closer to their PC counterpart in therms of frame rate and effects/resolution, everybody wins.. it's not as if there was not already many performance profiles being tested for games (PS360, XB1, PS4, whatever your PC can run.. just add PS4k to the list of builds - which is work, but it won't make the ps4 version "worse" than it would have been).

and what's great is that whenever people buy it they get to replay some of their current games with extra effects/resolution and/or frame rate... compare this to thei gameboy color situation, or the N64's RAM upgrade... or the PC Engine CD in Japan, all very succesful upgrades in their own way!) - I would even put the Sega CD (no 32X) or Saturn RAM cards in the list as interesting.

It's all speculation indeed.

Yet we know the VR headset starts at 399 which includes the extra box.
A traditional slim would likely be 299, which could have the innards of the extra box. It's just some 3D sound processing and video conversion after all, perhaps that is all the rumored extra power is for. (with a slight chance it could be used for non vr games at some point)

The additional box, additional wires, extra power unit, extra fan, more packaging, etc all adds to the base price of the VR headset. It would not by unthinkale that Sony could sell the glasses at 299 without that box and even throw in the camara (at first eating the profit that a slim would make) for a combined 599 base VR bundle, 699 with dual move and game, and sell all that at cost.

So you get 399 base VR, 499 VR+camera+move, 599 base VR+PS4k, 699 the full deal. And 1Tb PS4K alone 349.
(To draw a parallel with Kinect, the camera started at 150 while the cheapest bundle started at 300)

Something like that seems to make a lot more sense to me than to raise the price or simply reset the profit clock. A bundle will draw in new consumers a lot faster.

Standardize is a word just not in the context you use, the correct word would be standardization. Still the idea is appropriate I just don't agree. Every console cycle sees an iteration of the console. While most often consoles see a change in the size or form factor or power consumption it's not unheard of to see hardware changes. The PS3 lost its built in emotion engine for emulation before losing it all together, the PSP saw a doubling of its RAM, The Vita changed it's display and added a 1 GB of internal memory, the Ninty DS line saw increases in physical size and RAM. It has happened before.

I am curious as to WHY you care that they release a PS4.5/k console? Would you really begin to have less enjoyment of your current console even thopugh they would continue to make the same games just because someone else is playing the very same game(s) on a slightly more powerful system?

I honestly don't understand why people are against the idea.

I will buy this. Day 1.

I think the rest of you are fooling yourselves if you say you will not upgrade at all!
Eventually you all will upgrade to a PS4K because it will become the standard in about late 2018 to first half 2019, the benefits will be too great.

The value proposition is also off the scale, we are talking about a new APU / GPU on a possible 14 nm die shrink. Double the power.... you would be paying 2,500 euro for such a computer. 400 is an absolute steal!

All I hope is that they make the box more premium both aesthetically and material-wise.

To tell you the truth. No, i wouldnt mind. I would enjoy my current Ps4 just fine.

The problem with this in my opinion, is that if the gap between both iterations is considerable, developers would be in a position of juggling between optimizing the game for one while mantaining a respectable performance in the other, which i dont think they will do.

This will cause more problems in the future (again, imo), more patches, a shitty version of the game on one side, or both versions the same with a new group complaining that it is not taking advantage of the new upgraded hardware.

I think it will cause more problems that advantages.

It comes down to worrying about more stuff. Remeber, how in the past, before HD. You bought a TV & game console. It just worked. No frills. No, is it in 1080p? HDMI 1.0/1.5/2.0. Now you have to hear about resolution, cable types, this game works good, this game works crap, VR games, etc. And companies constantly saying how you need this, that and the kitchen sink. To get the "best" out of gaming. I just want to buy a game. And buy a system, that lasts for many years from now. Not turn it into a PC. Because then I'd just use my PC.

If this becomes the norm. Instead of paying $400 for 5 years. You'd pay $1200 in the same time frame, with upgrades and VR. Yeah, I know. The whole "You don't need to buy it." Intill they do something that forces you. A trade off would be if these companies say you'll be able to play these games upto 6 upgrades ahead. Till you need a new system. Then I'm not actually paying more then console generations of now. And these games have to work normally. I don't want to play a game that runs like shit, at 20 fps. Because the company didn't spend the money to make it work right, on 5 year old hardware. Then the upgrades have no reason to exsist. But to force people to use $1200. Are games and DLC gonna go up too? Because companies will bitch. We have to optimize for 2-3 systems now. And take longer to release. What if all the companies do it. Games are gonna be optimized for 18 systems now?

Also, how far can upgrading go. Eventually. You'll run into the problem phones do now. When things really have nothing left. Phones at least have onboard space and battery improvements left. A console doesn't. Eventually when 4K is norm. And the hardware can run it like we can run NES games. Then there's nothing really left to add. It just speed up the process. Unless they keep on pushing "THE ALL NEW 20K PS10!!! WITH 15.1 SOUROUND SOUND SUPORT!!! AND MU(massive ultra)HDR COLOR SUPPORT! TURN YOUR ENTIRE BACKYARD INTO A VR PLAYGROUND!"

I dont think it is the same situation bro.

No.

I would def buy it if it's gonna be like an additional device to increase my PS4 performance. If it's a stand-alone console then sorry but hell nah!

Oh but it gotta be affordable and effective! i would pay for around $400 (WILL DEF buy it if it's around $300 or under). Anymore would make me think XD!

Even $1.
But personally, i think the PS4 is powerful enough already. They should focusing on creating more animated 1st party games, which they kinda lack right now :).