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Eagle367 on 30 March 2016

I believe freedom of speech is a little overrated. I mean if I go out in public give hate speeches every day bully with words trash on someone's way of living or race, then I should be arrested. If an artist does those things through art then so should he. If it's private then do whatever the hell you want but publicly there should always be censoring or pure anarchy can spread. You have no idea how powerful art and speech are so you have to control them lest they spread chaos anarchy unethical values propaganda or just plain garbage. The garbage that is being spewedin this age is already disturbing so what would happen if we let all hell break loose



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teigaga on 30 March 2016

I think Freedom of speech should also be met with subjective criticism. I think hate crime which is essentially a call for arms to cause harm/discriminate shouldn't be taken as freedom of speech, its a form of violence/threat.

Take the recent issue with what we've in a lot of recent Japanese games. The thing is that they're responding based on their own pricibles and fear, there has been almost no pressure on Square Enix and the like before they censor the western version of their games. Meanwhile GTA and Mortal Kombat which have actually been banned in certain countries and had real pressure against them continue on as the developers wish. I think there is a lot of freedom in the west to explore whatever you want in your art, they will be backlash but thats life, until the law forces your hand your freedom of speech isn't being compromised.



setsunatenshi on 30 March 2016
John2290 said:
theprof00 said:

And yet, the US comprises 10% of the world's human trafficking of minors in the sex slave trade.

But anyway, like I was saying, you're ok with offending some people, yet you're not ok with being offended by someone else.

There is a moral difference here that is inate and well set in common sense, the lollicon is so obviously designed for pedophiles to get off on without that inate sense of right and wrong getting in the way. This is like saying snuff films or terrorist beheadings or canabilism, beastiality etc are art. It is not at all what I meant in the OP, Can you imagine how many childern have been sexually abused because of this stuff? When I said age restricted content excluded I didn't mean go this far, Everything has its bounderies, a place where it meets human morality and what is right from wrong. Do I think its okay to write about childern being abused or child sex rings and explore that in dept at the expense of the feeling of people who have been abused, yes I do. But this drawn child pornography is nothing more than child porn, it isn't art, it comes from a diseased mind, in no way should it ever be called art.

and what's wrong about that? you're aware they are drawings right? no one is getting hurt from it (they are drawings!!), and even better... it is a sexual relief for people that otherwise might go and actually act on their sexual impulses by hurting someone else.

that's exactly why I believe all forms of art expression should be protected from censorship. what else, would you advocate banning porn based on rape fantasies? how about S&M? where do you draw the line?

clearly there's a desire for all types of so called 'deviant' tastes and as long as they remain controled in a fantasy world that's the safest situation we can achieve.



JWeinCom on 30 March 2016
John2290 said:

Everything I want to discuss is in the title so please feel free to give your opinion on the matter and if you need it summed up in a binary fashion,here goes.

Do you believe an artist or creater of any type of consumer content (exluding age ristricted content) should be free to explore whatever themes or plot devices that may offend or imply offence be it taboo issues, radical political ideas, sexism. racism or whatever "Ism" it might be that one may wish to explore regardless of weather or not they hold these views in strong conscious belief outside of their art form.

Or

Are you of the view that freedom of speech extends to all artforms in whatever taboo, nasty, offensive or painful truth that it may take shape. regardless of other peoples sex, race, moral beliefs, opinions, painful histories, personal or cultural values (Again, age ristricted contend excluded.) and how this may cause conflict even if it may incite ideas that may be harmful (For example, The film The interview and how it affected Sony and stirred up some policial issues.

Basically. Can you handle the truth no matter how painful it may be (Others should too) or should everyone be held to take others views into consideration at the expense of freedom of speech?    

I am writing many short stories in my free time and have recently started forming and fleshing out a bigger story from many of the themes I have explored in short form and I would really like to get a sense of the opnions here on one of the most intelligent and considerate forums that I have come across. Thank you for your input.

"Basically. Can you handle the truth no matter how painful it may be (Others should too) or should everyone be held to take others views into consideration at the expense of freedom of speech?"

This is nonsensical.  Taking others feelings into consideration does not mean you are somehow sacrificing freedom of speech.  It means you are using your rights intelligently.

The purpose of speech is to communicate ideas with others.  If you're not taking other views into account, then you're doing it wrong.

Of course, you are free to consider what others may think, say "fuck it I'm going to do it anyway", and produce whatever you want.  And people are free to say you are a piece of shit, call for a boycott of your products, or make a bonfire.  Protesting content you find vile is also freedom of speech.



setsunatenshi on 30 March 2016
John2290 said:
setsunatenshi said:

and what's wrong about that? you're aware they are drawings right? no one is getting hurt from it (they are drawings!!), and even better... it is a sexual relief for people that otherwise might go and actually act on their sexual impulses by hurting someone else.

that's exactly why I believe all forms of art expression should be protected from censorship. what else, would you advocate banning porn based on rape fantasies? how about S&M? where do you draw the line?

clearly there's a desire for all types of so called 'deviant' tastes and as long as they remain controled in a fantasy world that's the safest situation we can achieve.

I can't believe I have to explain myself on this. By your logical videos and phtos of childern getting molested should be considered art, are you sick in the head or something. Many childern could have been abused from men/women who view these photos and long for more real child porn eventually ending up hurting a child. This is in everyone inate sense of right and wrong and if it isn't then you are a pedophile, and pedophiles should not allowed a stepping stone to real child porn and eventually hurting real childern. Also, S&M and rape fantasies are between two consenting adults not a pedophile who may destroy a persons entire life because they started watching this shite. 

why did you jump from DRAWINGS to real people? you seem very imature in your way of thinking... fantastic logic you have there... next time you're playing call of duty virtually killing thousands of people, perhaps that will make you long for more and eventually go on a killing rampage in real life.

snuff videos are not art in any shape or form for the exact reason that they involve acts commited to people who gave no consent to it.

i can draw anything i want and no one is getting hurt from it nor anyone's consent is needed. if you can't understand that difference then you don't understand very much at all.



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setsunatenshi on 30 March 2016
John2290 said:
setsunatenshi said:

why did you jump from DRAWINGS to real people? you seem very imature in your way of thinking... fantastic logic you have there... next time you're playing call of duty virtually killing thousands of people, perhaps that will make you long for more and eventually go on a killing rampage in real life.

snuff videos are not art in any shape or form for the exact reason that they involve acts commited to people who gave no consent to it.

i can draw anything i want and no one is getting hurt from it nor anyone's consent is needed. if you can't understand that difference then you don't understand very much at all.

This conversation is making me sick. Your opinion is appreciated but since we have very different views, I think its best to end it here mate.

that's fine, perhaps it has gotten you or someone reading it to rethink things with an open mind. cheers



Wright on 30 March 2016
John2290 said:

 

 

Huh, interesting. You've pretty much answered yourself in your own thread once we went into the lollicon talk.



Teeqoz on 30 March 2016
setsunatenshi said:
John2290 said:

This conversation is making me sick. Your opinion is appreciated but since we have very different views, I think its best to end it here mate.

that's fine, perhaps it has gotten you or someone reading it to rethink things with an open mind. cheers

A little off-topic, but imagine this scenario:

 

A ten year old girl, by her own, takes nudes of herself, upload them to the internet, and then everone can see them, including pedofiles.

 

Are those pictures child porn? Is it okay to look at those pictures? I mean, no one forced her, no one even asked here to take them, it was on her own initiative, and she wasn't hurt in the making of those photos. It's perhaps not 100% relevant to the question of art, but it is relevant to the question about freedom of speech (FYI folks, freedom of speech doesn't actually mean you are allowed to say whatever the fuck you want!)



setsunatenshi on 30 March 2016
Teeqoz said:
setsunatenshi said:

that's fine, perhaps it has gotten you or someone reading it to rethink things with an open mind. cheers

A little off-topic, but imagine this scenario:

 

A ten year old girl, by her own, takes nudes of herself, upload them to the internet, and then everone can see them, including pedofiles.

 

Are those pictures child porn? Is it okay to look at those pictures? I mean, no one forced her, no one even asked here to take them, it was on her own initiative, and she wasn't hurt in the making of those photos. It's perhaps not 100% relevant to the question of art, but it is relevant to the question about freedom of speech (FYI folks, freedom of speech doesn't actually mean you are allowed to say whatever the fuck you want!)

what is the question in this case exactly? when selfies become confused with art, I think that word must have lost all meaning lol.



Teeqoz on 30 March 2016
setsunatenshi said:
Teeqoz said:

A little off-topic, but imagine this scenario:

 

A ten year old girl, by her own, takes nudes of herself, upload them to the internet, and then everone can see them, including pedofiles.

 

Are those pictures child porn? Is it okay to look at those pictures? I mean, no one forced her, no one even asked here to take them, it was on her own initiative, and she wasn't hurt in the making of those photos. It's perhaps not 100% relevant to the question of art, but it is relevant to the question about freedom of speech (FYI folks, freedom of speech doesn't actually mean you are allowed to say whatever the fuck you want!)

what is the question in this case exactly? when selfies become confused with art, I think that word must have lost all meaning lol.

I said it was off-topic, and that it wasn't 100% relevant to the question about censorship of art. Geez. Now, you didn't answer my questions. Would you mind doing so? Cause I think it's an interesting question(s) to ask.