Heheheh, I was waiting for the word "cagers" to pop up in this thread. Love that word.

The people who are complaining about motorcycles are just jealous that they don't have the balls to ride one themselves. Boo hoo if you don't like bikers and YOU think they're "crazy". Odds are if they're acting "crazy" you're doing A LOT of things wrong. Cry babies.

Interesting how defensive people are about this hobby.  I wonder if posters here feel like I've struck a nerve.

Perhaps I have seen you on the road after all...

I appoligize I didn't know I was being so hostile.  Although, I do drive a motorcycle so I guess it could be you telling me I'm a bad driver or Twestern telling me I deserve to die  .  Are motorcycles more unsafe then most vehicles?  Definately.  One small accident risks death and they are difficult to see.  But my problem is people get myopic (not necessarily you, yet ) The number one cause of accident is just people not paying attention whether it be because they aren't feeling well enough to drive and drive anyway, they are talking to a friend in the car or cellphone, or changing the radio, adjusting the seat, etc, etc, etc.  Let's say we do ban motorcycles.  What does this accomplish?  Safer less congested roads?  More alert drivers?  Then if we start there why don't we just ban other unsafe vehicles?  I know motorcyclists will often do stupid things.  But if everyone of them of them is bad, what is the percentage of other drivers that do stupid things?  I drive in Detroit alot for work.  I personally wouldn't drive a motorcycle in Detroit because I've seen what drivers do.  And actually, I've only seen a motorcycle a few times while driving in that city.  But it doesn't make me loathe driving there any less or feel more safe because I know motorcycles won't be there. 

 I suppose I could have said it a little nicer but I do mean it when I say just about every person on a motorcycle I see is a moron (and I'm talking about the uber fast ones, not Harley's or those kind, no clue what to call the two).  It's like the case where you hear a bit of a racist joke and laugh a little because you know it's pretty much true.

I know that every person that drives a motorcycle isn't a complete waste of space, but the fact is just about every time I see some idiot on one of those fast motorcycles they are in fact being idiots.  I very rarely see one of those people on those type of motorcycles driving safely, instead they are always doing dumb shit like weaving through traffic, riding people's bumper if they can't get around, doing wheelies through intersections, and driving more than 100MPH.

I do hate to sound like a jerk consistently do dumb shit.

And as for the person that cited that there are less motorcycle caused accidents that's because there are less motorcycles.  It's the same mentality that iPods are the most unreliable MP3 player out there because they are in service so often.  They are in service so often because they are 10 of those for every other single MP3 player (made up the number but it probably isn't far off).  There are less motorcycle caused accidents because there are a crapload more cars out there than motorcycles. 

Obviously if people become defensive when you are ripping on what they love, that means you win the argument .  Can you list a few of your personal hobbies so we can list our anecdotal evidence for why it should not be allowed, it is a detriment to society, and only idiots do it?

Or it could be that most of us bike riders have almost been killed countless times by stupid fuckers in cars and there's a good chance that a few of us have been injured by some fucknut who wasn't paying attention. That tends to make people a little testy.

Oh sure.  My hobbies are sky diving, bungie jumping, and knife juggling.  All very safe I assure you. 

So would you count yourself in that "most of us?"