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okr said:
I'd welcome a good screenplay in Star Wars.

Lol awesome



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JWeinCom said:

We could add all sorts of new character traits that weren't in the older movies.  Yet... when it's homosexuality, it's suddenly a different story.  Why is there some sort of special rule for gay characters?

Because sexuality was never a big part of Star Wars. The main reason close relationships even take place is for the sake of reproduction: The creation of Luke, Leia and now Ben Solo. No one watches Star Wars because of its ravishing love stories. At most it's just a small entertainment factor on the side, like the love triangle in the original trilogy.

The moment you suddenly add gay characters is the moment politics get involved. If the directors can find a way to make interesting story lines that make sense in the Star Wars universe while specifically requiring gay characters, I'd say go for it. As it stands though I can't see a scenario where a gay character could provide a unique story that can't be provided by a straight character. Because there is no established anti-gay taboo or anything of the sort in the Star Wars universe to make room for such storylines.

Sexuality is simply not a factor in Star Wars, and I'd prefer it stays that way.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
JWeinCom said:

So why is it that we don't mind when we find out other details about characters?   Why can't being gay just be one of those details that helps flesh out a character? Why don't we get upset when characters don't like white chocolate, or when characters play Galaga?  Why is this the only unnessential detail we get bent out of shape about? 

Cause you don't like gay characters. Real talk.

 

I also opposed Rey's sudden mastery of the force; not because she is female, but because it was already established that wielding force powers require training.

 

Except when Anakin Skywalker is an amazing podracer and Luke can destroy the Death Star and Force pull his lightsaber without a lick of real training, you mean.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
JWeinCom said:

We could add all sorts of new character traits that weren't in the older movies.  Yet... when it's homosexuality, it's suddenly a different story.  Why is there some sort of special rule for gay characters?

Because sexuality was never a big part of Star Wars. The main reason close relationships even take place is for the sake of reproduction: The creation of Luke, Leia and now Ben Solo. No one watches Star Wars because of its ravishing love stories. At most it's just a small entertainment factor on the side, like the love triangle in the original trilogy.

The moment you suddenly add gay characters is the moment politics get involved. If the directors can find a way to make interesting story lines that make sense in the Star Wars universe while specifically requiring gay characters, I'd say go for it. As it stands though I can't see a scenario where a gay character could provide a unique story that can't be provided by a straight character. Because there is no established anti-gay taboo or anything of the sort in the Star Wars universe to make room for such storylines.

Sexuality is simply not a factor in Star Wars, and I'd prefer it stays that way.

Because sexuality was never a big part of Star Wars. The main reason close relationships even take place is for the sake of reproduction: The creation of Luke, Leia and now Ben Solo. No one watches Star Wars because of its ravishing love stories. At most it's just a small entertainment factor on the side, like the love triangle in the original trilogy.

Dude... did you like... watch the movies?  Sexuality is a big part of it.  It's the reasy why Han Solo went from a smuggler who cared only about himself to a resistance fighter.  Because he wanted to bang Leia.  And it wasn't just for procreation purposes since they didn't have any babies till 30 years later.

The whole reason the Jedi order collapsed is because Anakin had a hard on for Natalie Portman.  And this wasn't an "I like you and want to have sex once to have a baby and move on" thing.  Anakin wanted to fuck the shit out of her.

And I guess there was a non-sexual reason to put a chain on Leia's neck and gold bikini on her? Jaba just always wanted to be a fashion designer or something.

The moment you suddenly add gay characters is the moment politics get involved. If the directors can find a way to make interesting story lines that make sense in the Star Wars universe while specifically requiring gay characters, I'd say go for it. As it stands though I can't see a scenario where a gay character could provide a unique story that can't be provided by a straight character. Because there is no established anti-gay taboo or anything of the sort in the Star Wars universe to make room for such storylines.

Was there a reason Empire Strikes back couldn't have been told without Leia in a gold bikini?  No? Are you ok with that scene?

So, why should you need a specific reason for a character to be gay, but you don't need any specific reason to have a girl in a bikini? (Which doesn't really make sense... I doubt slug beings are that into the female form.  Leia was in a bikini for the audience, not for Jaba.)

You still haven't given a reason why you need a specific reason for a gay character, when this isn't a requirement for ANY OTHER character trait.   I've given tons of examples where there is a detail that is completely unessential, yet is in the movie all the same.  Did you have an issue with any of those things?

There is nothing political about gay characters besides the fact that some backwards people want to make a political issue out of it. Basically, people get sticks in their asses about something that shouldn't be a problem in the first place.  Then you go "oh people have sticks in their asses about this, so it's too political and we can't have it without some special reason". 

No, we can't have a Jedi who just happens to be gay.  We can only have a gay Jedi in Brokeback Degobah.

Just because some people have sandy assholes doesn't suddenly mean there should be a special restriction on portraying gay characters.  And let's make it clear, you are not objecting to special priority for gay characters.  You are arguing that there should be extra restrictions on them.  We can have a straight charater wherever and whenever, whether it's necessary to the plot or not.  But we need an extra special reason for a gay character.

Sexuality is simply not a factor in Star Wars, and I'd prefer it stays that way.

First of all, yes it is.  Just because these are PG movies and they don't want to show Leia blowing Han in the back of the millenium falcon does not mean sexuality is not of a part of the movie.  If Leai didn't make Luke's naughty bits all tingly in the hologram, he would have stayed on Tatooine.

And if sexuality is not a big part of it, why do we have all these straight characters in romantic situations?  If we can have straight characters in Star Wars when sexuality is not a factor, why not gay characters?

But hey you're entitled to your opinion.  If you don't want gay sexuality in the movies (since you don't seem to have a problem with all the straight sexuality), then that's fine.  Just don't pretent it's out of some sort of desire for artistic integrity.



TheDarkShape said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

I also opposed Rey's sudden mastery of the force; not because she is female, but because it was already established that wielding force powers require training.

 

Except when Anakin Skywalker is an amazing podracer and Luke can destroy the Death Star and Force pull his lightsaber without a lick of real training, you mean.

Anakin didn't force persuade anyone. His improved racing skills through the force came naturally.

Luke had plenty of guidance from Obi-Wan, and even struggled to force pull the lightsaber. Rey, on the other hand, pulled the sword past Ren, despite Ren already showing complete mastery of kinetic force techniques in the beginning of the movie.



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chakkra said:
JWeinCom said:

Yes, we are all aware of bisexuality.  

Apparently nuckles87 is not.

I am. It's just competely irrelevant to the point I was making. I was replying to the notion that Luke might be gay because he never had kids. I was pointing out that he had a very clear attraction towards a woman, meaning he COULDN'T be gay, as in only (or at least mostly) having an attraction to the same gender. But on that point, Luke also never expressed any attraction towards any men in any of the movies. So as far as the movies are concerned, he's strictly heterosexual.

And yes, I understand that sexuality is a fluid thing, and there are a wide variety of sexualities beyond hetero, bi, and homosexuality. But that's irrelevant to Luke.

Edit: Ah, I see it was mostly addressed. Still, needed to address this myself to remove any doubt.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
JWeinCom said:

We could add all sorts of new character traits that weren't in the older movies.  Yet... when it's homosexuality, it's suddenly a different story.  Why is there some sort of special rule for gay characters?

Because sexuality was never a big part of Star Wars. The main reason close relationships even take place is for the sake of reproduction: The creation of Luke, Leia and now Ben Solo. No one watches Star Wars because of its ravishing love stories. At most it's just a small entertainment factor on the side, like the love triangle in the original trilogy.

The moment you suddenly add gay characters is the moment politics get involved. If the directors can find a way to make interesting story lines that make sense in the Star Wars universe while specifically requiring gay characters, I'd say go for it. As it stands though I can't see a scenario where a gay character could provide a unique story that can't be provided by a straight character. Because there is no established anti-gay taboo or anything of the sort in the Star Wars universe to make room for such storylines.

Sexuality is simply not a factor in Star Wars, and I'd prefer it stays that way.

You know..  before I couldnt care less if there was or wasn't any gay character in SW universe (like you said, I have never watched it for the romance aspect).  But after seeing how strongly people has reacted to this topic on this forum..    now I actually WANT THEM to do it.  Just for the heck of it.



vivster said:
Of course because people only believe that you're not racist, sexist or homophobe when you overrepresent every tiny minority.

I just hope he will also include a Jedi with down syndrome or else it would mean that he hates people with down syndrome.

Nailed it.



JWeinCom said:

1. The whole reason the Jedi order collapsed is because Anakin had a hard on for Natalie Portman.  And this wasn't an "I like you and want to have sex once to have a baby and move on" thing.  Anakin wanted to fuck the shit out of her.

2. And I guess there was a non-sexual reason to put a chain on Leia's neck and gold bikini on her? Jaba just always wanted to be a fashion designer or something. Was there a reason Empire Strikes back couldn't have been told without Leia in a gold bikini?  No? Are you ok with that scene?

3. There is nothing political about gay characters besides the fact that some backwards people want to make a political issue out of it. Basically, people get sticks in their asses about something that shouldn't be a problem in the first place.  Then you go "oh people have sticks in their asses about this, so it's too political and we can't have it without some special reason". 

 

1. I'm obviously not saying that the characters themselves got together just to have babies. I'm saying that the reason the romance was created in the first place was to explain Anakin's downfall/Darth Vader's creation and the origins of Luke and Leia. The chronology damands it.

Once again, people don't watch Star Wars for its ravishing love stories.

2. I always felt that the bikini part was out of place, just as I am opposed to the unnecessary nudity in recent Fire Emblem games and Game of Thrones. In any event, you can't possibly make the claim that a significant portion of the Star Wars audience watched Return of the Jedi for its sexual content.

3. If they wait 40 years before suddenly adding a gay character it is obvious that they do it for political reasons to promote acceptance or whatever, because sex and sexuality never seemed to matter in this galaxy far, far away ever before. Not once has a character ever even mentioned the word sexuality.

If a gay character is added it will only serve to detract from the core Star Wars experience and put sexuality on the board. People will then inevitably ask for other minorities to be represented in the name of "equality". I would rather not make this an issue to begin with and keep politics out of Star Wars.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
JWeinCom said:

1. The whole reason the Jedi order collapsed is because Anakin had a hard on for Natalie Portman.  And this wasn't an "I like you and want to have sex once to have a baby and move on" thing.  Anakin wanted to fuck the shit out of her.

2. And I guess there was a non-sexual reason to put a chain on Leia's neck and gold bikini on her? Jaba just always wanted to be a fashion designer or something. Was there a reason Empire Strikes back couldn't have been told without Leia in a gold bikini?  No? Are you ok with that scene?

3. There is nothing political about gay characters besides the fact that some backwards people want to make a political issue out of it. Basically, people get sticks in their asses about something that shouldn't be a problem in the first place.  Then you go "oh people have sticks in their asses about this, so it's too political and we can't have it without some special reason". 

 

1. I'm obviously not saying that the characters themselves got together just to have babies. I'm saying that the reason the romance was created in the first place was to explain Anakin's downfall/Darth Vader's creation and the origins of Luke and Leia. The chronology damands it.

Once again, people don't watch Star Wars for its ravishing love stories.

2. I always felt that the bikini part was out of place, just as I am opposed to the unnecessary nudity in recent Fire Emblem games and Game of Thrones. In any event, you can't possibly make the claim that a significant portion of the Star Wars audience watched Return of the Jedi for its sexual content.

3. If they wait 40 years before suddenly adding a gay character it is obvious that they do it for political reasons to promote acceptance or whatever, because sex and sexuality never seemed to matter in this galaxy far, far away ever before. Not once has a character ever even mentioned the word sexuality.

If a gay character is added it will only serve to detract from the core Star Wars experience and put sexuality on the board. People will then inevitably ask for other minorities to be represented in the name of "equality", no matter how out of place they would be. I would rather not make this an issue to begin with and keep politics out of Star Wars.

1.  Aside from Anakin and Padme, there is no reason for any other romantic subplot in the movies.  No reason for any romance between Han and Leia or Leia and Luke.

2.  I can't make that claim, and I didn't.  I can make the claim that not many people were upset about characters representing their sexuality, unless it is gay sexuality.

3.  Who is this "they" that waited 40 years?  None of the writers or directors that worked on force awakens worked on the original Star Wars, and the property was not even owned by the same people. 

Not once has a character ever even mentioned the word sexuality.

Lol.  I've watched plenty of pornos, and the word sexuality was not ever even mentioned.  I guess there's no sexuality in porn. XD 

4.  You are absolutely dead wrong that there's no sexuality on the board.  Just blatantly as wrong as could possibly be.  Characters having a romantic interest in each other IS sexuality.  Luke drooling over Leia's hologram is sexuality.  Luke kissing Leia is sexuality.  Luke kissing Han is sexuality.  Leia saying she loves Han is sexuality. 

Heterosexuality has been there for the very begining.  Never been an issue.  Now when it's gay sexuality, there's suddenly a problem.  

 I would rather not make this an issue to begin with and keep politics out of Star Wars.

Being gay is not being polical.  Being straight is not being political.  Having a straight character is not political.  Having a gay character is not political.  It's only political when people with sandy vaginas (or sandy penises to be politically correct) make it a political issue.  Don't bitch about it, and it's not an issue.

 

Do you think there should  be seperate standards for portraying gay characters than ther are for straight characters?  If no, you should have no problem with gay characters in Star Wars.  If yes, you have a problem with gay characters. Simple question.