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Dunban67 said:
Miyamotoo said:

That management with horrible decisions keep making profit for Nintendo despite terrible Wii U sales and transition.

A well run business does not have it s lowest revenues in 15 years -   this is during a time of tremendous growth in their industry

additionally Nintendo s revenue has dropped each year since 2009 - also a time in which thier industry has grown substantially

so if sales in your specific industry are going up year after year and your companies sales are going down year after year at the same time, that is terrible management-   

Remember, they are a publicly traded company,  and growth and/or the belief investors that growth is iminent are the most important metrics

The fact they have made profits in some/most of the years of declining revenue often means they have not been investing enough in their own busness to reinvigorate their brand/business to spur growth- 

Nintendo seems to be "betting the ranch" on this upcoming generation of hardware and on mobile-  the only reason their stock is not down alot more is due to the hope /blief of investors betting on them making big money in mobile-  any tangible sign(S) that they are not going ot make big money in mobile will send their stock price down significantly-  Of course the reverse applies as well- but these price swings will be temporary until a trend sets in one direction or the other

FYI  their stock is down %7.48 at this time based on todays news   -  the is a large 1 day drop if it holds - we will have to see were it closes the day

My point is that they still making profit despite their worst generation in sales.



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Ruler said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

Ofcourse its not, its only gaming division, same goes for Microsoft.

No the charts one

You are wrong, look those numbers and you will see that those numbers are only for gaming divisions. Those number for whole Sony company are too low.



RolStoppable said:
theprof00 said:

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The 3DS is going to miss its hardware and software forecasts by notable margins. And yes, the delay of Miitomo is also a factor.

You think Miitomo will make enough money to affect their financial forecast?

I just see it immediately being lost in a sea of similar social apps, many of which people are already invested in.



bunchanumbers said:
Dunban67 said:

the Xbox brand has grown pretty steady since it launched- even the Xbox 1 is selling well compared to previous xbox hardware - it just does not seem tht way becasue the PS4 is selling at a record pace-   so both Xbox and Sony have seen  significant revenue growth during the same period in which Nintendo s revenue has contracted significantly-    Both Xbox and Sony (not to mention mobile) have taken ALOT of market share from Nintendo over the last 8-15 years

As you know, since Nintendo is also a large software developer/publisher those large 3rd party AAA devs and publshers are competing with  Nintendo as well for gaming dollars

Our household only has Nintendo (+ mobile due to I phones and i pad)  gaming consoles-  Nintendo still has lots of cash, alot of game making talent and the most well know IP in the industry-  it is not all gloom and doom-  BUT  that makes the fact that their compnay, revenue and  market share have been consistently shrinking  a negative trend and indicates a lack of execution by their mngmnt over time-  Due to that fact, they are pretty much having to make such big bets on their next gen hardware/software and mobile   (and all in a pretty close time frame) a concern-  they very well may win these bets they are making and do wonderfully-  but the track record of manegment has not been too good - lets hope they pull a wii and a DS out of the hat!

of course they did. They followed the Wii model of being profitable at launch and not taking heavy losses for years. They saw what Nintendo did with a little $250 box that made them 10 billion and they wanted to do the same thing.

If they continued along their old path, both would have ended up right where they started, with lots of consoles and no money. I say good for them for realizing that their old model was not making money, or was too risky.

As for Nintendo, they are doing different things now to diversify their interests. They own a MLB team. They are working on a Universal theme park. They are considering leveraging their IPs for movies and tv. Amiibos are selling like crazy and their next generation of hardware are on the way after unifying their handheld and console teams. Video games are a volatile industry and there are lots of companies that shut doors over video games.

We'll just have to see how it all plays out, but I think that in the end Nintendo will march on. The real question will be what form Nintendo will take going forward.

That is the multi billion dollar question ; what form will they take-  Nintendo could become very profitable again and yet be hardly recognizable to most of its long time fans-   that is kind of the bitter sweet potential of Nintendo.... that they may find huge success again and yet it may be in a way that its most loyal fans can hardly recognse or appreciate/tolerate-  



Miyamotoo said:
OneKartVita said:

So the guy above was wrong to say Playstation lost  5bn ast gen?  how does Nintendos current profits compare to the last few numbers on that list?  

Sony till 2010 lost around 4bn last gen, why you think he was wrong!? Sony was selling very long PS3 with huge loose in order to save it.

Last year Nintendo made profit off around $350, that's great if know how actually bad Wii U is selling.

He said 5BN. At one point it was 4BN you say but the ps3 reduced that for the next 5 years.  I'm not saying it  made a profit just saying he's wrong.  

 

So Nintendo making a lot less profit now and Playstation now beginning to earn a lot.  Funny how things change. 



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RolStoppable said:
Soleron said:

You think Miitomo will make enough money to affect their financial forecast?

I just see it immediately being lost in a sea of similar social apps, many of which people are already invested in.

It's not just Miitomo that got delayed, but the other applications as well. I expect Nintendo to launch something new about every three months. Since Miitomo got delayed, the rest also got pushed back (so no game this fiscal year).

The 3DS is easily the biggest factor for the lowered forecasts, but the smartphone plans that got pushed back are certainly not a non-factor. Besides, it's not about what I think that Miitomo and others can contribute, it's about what Nintendo thought. It's hard to imagine that they believed that their smartphone operations would contribute virtually nothing, so the delay affected their forecast, yes.

Hmm yaknow, I forgot that Nintendo usually profits on their consoles, so lagging 3ds sales could be a major culprit as well. Do you have numbers showing how many units they're behind?

I seem to remember the dena delay announced before holiday last year so maybe the numbers from that was already built in? Or potentially costs went up as well... for not only dena but nx. 



Miyamotoo said:
OneKartVita said:

Yeah it really couldn't have gone worse.  From the top to the bottom.  But are we at rock bottom?  Will 2016 level off the decline and will growth return on 2017 onwards or is the decline going to continue. 

It could be much worse, Nintendo could actually lose money, but despite terrible sales they making solid profit, even with slashed forecast it will be solid profit for Nintendo.

The trouble is the  system is about chasing growth , it's not good enough to just make a tidy profit , during the Australian reporting season you can have a company make record profits with it's growth being  both a company record and best in it's market and still get written down because of market expectation .



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mjk45 said:
Miyamotoo said:

It could be much worse, Nintendo could actually lose money, but despite terrible sales they making solid profit, even with slashed forecast it will be solid profit for Nintendo.

The trouble is the  system is about chasing growth , it's not good enough to just make a tidy profit , during the Australian reporting season you can have a company make record profits with it's growth being  both a company record and best in it's market and still get written down because of market expectation .

They making profit despite the worst generation ever, despite transition, despite totally new projects (themed parks, mobile games, movies...) and despite preparing complete new platform. I said it pretty good they making profit despite all that.



OneKartVita said:
Miyamotoo said:

Sony till 2010 lost around 4bn last gen, why you think he was wrong!? Sony was selling very long PS3 with huge loose in order to save it.

Last year Nintendo made profit off around $350, that's great if know how actually bad Wii U is selling.

He said 5BN. At one point it was 4BN you say but the ps3 reduced that for the next 5 years.  I'm not saying it  made a profit just saying he's wrong.  

 

So Nintendo making a lot less profit now and Playstation now beginning to earn a lot.  Funny how things change. 

They has profit in 2010. so lose is around 4B till 2010, buy Sony made profit with PS3 every year from 2010, question is at end with all years if Sony made any money PS3, probably but not big one.

Not that Nintendo has they worst generation ever in sales, but they are in middle of transition, with totally new projects (themed parks, mobile games, movies...) and preparing complete new platform. I said it pretty good they making profit despite all that.



AnthonyW86 said:
Not really surprise there, but the lower profits will partly be because of R&D for NX

So R&D for the NX causes revenue to be cut in half? Where is the logic behind that.

If R&D was happening now that would mean NX is years away.