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I wouldn't mind seeing cartridges and memory cards comeback for consoles. They add a certain amount of charm that modern consoles severely lack.



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RolStoppable said:

Okay, you read that as all games will only be available in digital form. But I am sure you've gone over all those points with someone else (and maybe even me) before, so let's not do that again.

But I am curious to hear why third parties would be against shared cartridges.

There's no other way to read that.

Because carts are significantly more expensive than disks of equal space value. If I'm EA and I'm developing Mass Effect Andromeda for XBO, PS4, and NX, let's say I'm making them all 100% equal ports, feature wise. Now it's time to maufacture. Let's say it costs $.10 per disk or whatever to manucacture one physical copy of the game on PS4 and XBO. It'll cost $1 for the same thing on NX in a good scenario because of carts. Now let's pretend that each port shipped 1m copies. That means EA spent $100,000 manufactuing disks for the PS4 version, and $100,000 manufacturing disks for the XBO version, but $1m manufacturing cartridges for an identical product on the NX.

Now obviously those numbers are made up. The difference could be more, or they could be less, but no matter what the difference in price will be significant. And that would royally piss of anyone trying to make money off a product. Unless you think Nintendo would be willing to lower their royalties per cart or artificially inflate the prices of carts just to accomedate them, third parties absolutely will not support a platform with carts. Not with multiplats.



AZWification said:

But the NX is not going to get 3rd party support, so why should that matter....... Am I doing it right?

That's the spirit!



RolStoppable said:

So in your hypothetical scenario, third parties would choose to miss out on $30m because it would cost them $900k more to earn those millions.

You're acting like they haven't dropped Nintendo for less than being told they'd make less money for selling the same amount of copies.



Too all those promoteing a all digital nitendo console.
I refuse to buy a all digital console. I like collecting games and haveing them on shelves.

Ive owned a nes,snes,gc,wii,wii u..... I wont buy a NX if its digital only, and I doubt im the only one.

 

I ll say this:

I miss cartridges. I really hope thats what happends, with their unified software ecosystem for their handheld/console, you cant just ignore physical releases for games imo.



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RolStoppable said:

You should realize that taking that path works against your initial premise (third parties won't want cards, therefore no cards). If third parties will complain about Nintendo regardless of what Nintendo does, Nintendo might as well go ahead and do what's best for Nintendo. So they'll go with cards as storage medium because it makes the most sense for them. There's no point in going digital-only when you can have both physical and digital options to buy software.

No, it doesn't. They don't complain no matter what Nintendo does. They complain when Nintendo does stupid things that negatively impacts their profits. Digital only positively impacts them. And Nintendo. And the experience for most consumers.

Physical media goes completely against a truly seamless unified platform, so there is absolutely a point in going digital only.



JRPGfan said:

Too all those promoteing a all digital nitendo console.
I refuse to buy a all digital console. I like collecting games and haveing them on shelves.

Ive owned a nes,snes,gc,wii,wii u..... I wont buy a NX if its digital only, and I doubt im the only one.

 

I ll say this:

I miss cartridges. I really hope thats what happends, with their unified software ecosystem for their handheld/console, you cant just ignore physical releases for games imo.

There are not enough of people like you for Nintendo to care, to be frank. The amount of consumers Nintendo will gain in this move will exponencially eclipse the insignificant few consumers who will refuse to buy an all digital platform no matter what games they want comes out for it purely on principal.



spemanig said:
JRPGfan said:

Too all those promoteing a all digital nitendo console.
I refuse to buy a all digital console. I like collecting games and haveing them on shelves.

Ive owned a nes,snes,gc,wii,wii u..... I wont buy a NX if its digital only, and I doubt im the only one.

 

I ll say this:

I miss cartridges. I really hope thats what happends, with their unified software ecosystem for their handheld/console, you cant just ignore physical releases for games imo.

There are not enough of people like you for Nintendo to care, to be frank. The amount of consumers Nintendo will gain in this move will exponencially eclipse the insignificant few consumers who will refuse to buy an all digital platform no matter what games they want comes out for it purely on principal.

The thing is... Wii U isnt selling that many units.

Why risk putting off some of your core supporters? There has to be quite a few that feel like I do..

I mean digital downloads only account for like 20% of game sales currently.

 

Forceing people to adapt? good idea? Im not so sure.

Might it give them new consumers? maybe... will it cost them support from core nintendo fans? absolutely.

Hell we have a thread on this forum, about a all digital future, and if people would quit playing then. More than 50% voted yes.

 

I can see Nintendo doing a all digital console, and it biteing them in the a**.

I dont want to see nintend fall futher down the ladder than it currently is.





RolStoppable said:

The lion share of video game software sales comes from physical media. Ignoring the majority of the market by going digital-only won't be perceived as a positive aspect by third parties.

And no, physical media does not go against a unified platform.

PC begs to differ. Mobile begs to differ. Digital is growing on consoles faster every year. People aren't buying physical. They're buying games. Those sales don't just evaporate on a digital only platform - they migrate. If the NX offers only one option, consumers will simply adapt that option, especially when it's more convenient like with digital.

Are you joking? Third parties want all digital. No used games. Profit forever. Higher profit margin because they don't have to manufacture anything.

Yes, it absolutely does.



shikamaru317 said:

That's highly debatable imo. You say digital only positively impacts 3rd parties, but does it? Quite a few gamers refuse to buy digital games, so a digital only console means that 3rd parties miss out on those potential sales. You say that it positively impacts Nintendo, but does it really? Is it worth it being the first of the console makers to piss off retailers by going digital only, retailers could respond by giving them less shelf space and in-store advertising which could hurt hardware sales, better to wait out Sony and MS and let one of them make the first digital only console. Then there's the fact that Nintendo consoles are frequently bought by parents for children, parents buying for children often go physical, not digital.

I think a mix of carts and digital is the safest bet for Nintendo. Carts could run on both the handheld and console for the games that have crossplay, just like digital can.

 

Again, PC proves that false. In an environment where there is no alternative, most consumers will adapt. The amount of people who will really look at the next 3D Mario and say "nope. Not without physical" is laughably insignifitant. The iPod faired fine without a CD player. So will the NX. Mobile is the leading gaming platform for kids now. You know who are buying those games? Parents. It's all digital. Parents will be fine with the NX.

Keep 'em coming, though.