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If anything is coming out this year it will be a new handheld... i doubt it will be a console, why would you release in the year of VR... going to be overshadowed by that, while a new handheld won't have that concern.



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Akeos said:
You want to know the whole truth about the NX?

NX software is primarily an OS based on the OS of the WiiU (remember that the WiiU uses an ARM processor to touner the OS, not the PowerPC that runs the OS). This OS is probably developed to run on ARM as well as on X86 ...

NX is then a hardware into 2 parts:

- A portable console, that part will surely be a portable WiiU (a powerful ARM processor will replace the PowerPC, as Microsoft emulates the PowerPC of the X360 with the X86 of Xboxone, Nintendo emulate the PowerPC of WiiU with ARM on the NX )

- House module ... this is where some make mistake ... and it is even the center of the NX strategy! this is not a game console! Part of the house is ... a SERVER! and it is this part that is the new concept!



A server ??? you say WTF !!! ???

I'll explain how and why I came to this conclusion.

At first, I thought as some here that NX would be a handheld very close to the WiiU order to welcome their games, SSB, Splatoon Mario maker, MK8, Zelda WiiU .... in the launch window .. .

Iwata said:

"It Will Become importance for us to Accurately take advantage of what we-have done with the Wii U architecture"
"It Does not mean of course we are going to That uses exactly the Sami architecture as Wii U, we are going to aim create a system can absorb That the Wii U architecture adequately. When this happens, home consoles and handheld devices no follow Will be completely Call different, and They Will Become like brothers in a family of systems. "

I was thinking of a kind of inverted WiiU, APU, RAM, memory contained in the gamepad, the latter stream the second screen to the TV using an HDMI-connected case ... only the storage cartridge was problematic. ..

And one day ... STATIONARY GAME APPARATUS, GAME APPARATUS, GAME SYSTEM, AND RECORDING MEDIUM SPEED CONTROL METHOD

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20150231511&OS=20150231511&RS=20150231511

And there! enlightenment! it is not a home console without an optical drive, but a SERVER!

look at this block diagramm:

http://images.p-nintendo.com/o/2015/08/55d7aa078f24c7.jpg

You can see HDD, can connect an External HDD, 2 blocks type flash memory, two communication units (1 wireless, 1 which seems connected by cable to server ...) and in the middle one CPU that identifies, selects and rule their speed ...
Nintendo never puts network card or HDD in its consoles ...

You tell me ... what what binds the WiiU handhelp with this server?
Well another patent refers to this "RECORDING MEDIUM", it comes to this patent:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20150253932.pdf

On Fig.2:

http://abload.de/img/fig2kuqtr.jpg

as we can see, the game program comes from the "RECORDING MEDIUM" goes through the RECORDING MEDIUM LOADING UNIT to be stored in non-volatile memory in a portable console.

You begin to understand? Nintendo will sell a portable console (probably WiiU handhelp) and use a house module> WiFi HDD for storing games and display on TV.


But this is only the beginning! ;) If you look at that other patent:

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=8&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Nintendo.AANM.&OS=AANM/Nintendo&RS=AANM/Nintendo

it seems obvious that this "Supplemental Computing Devices For Game Consoles" = "GAME STATIONARY APPARATUS"

This is a server that is used for storing games data; for display on TV screen via HDMI; For Online (massively multi-player) and finally to Cloud Computing (virtualization, shared and remote calculation)

The new concept behind the NX is actually a system CLOUD COMMUNITY! Nintendo will sell online as material (unlike Sony and MS who sell it as service) and small personal network servers form the online infrastructure of Nintendo.
In the latter patent it is even expressed a system of cloud mining, but we will not win the bitcoins but Nintendo Points on MYNINTENDO ... more leave us our server available to the community, the more you will win Nintendo Points ...

In short, NX is a portable WiiU ($ 200) + a small personal server (100 to $ 150) for storing games, the display on TV, online gaming, a system of cloud computing ... They will sold together, but I think the server is also sold alone for the WiiU and integrate it into the NX system ...

 

Plausible and intriguing, you may want to simplify it for everyone else though.



i am french, so i gonna try to make a post more short and easy to understand, but i need a lot of time ... 



RolStoppable said:

People who want to own a physical copy won't mind that drawback, so it isn't perceived as an issue.

Okay, I get it now. Your logic and your argument is that your preference for digital-only is universal, that's why you struggle with the notion that many people want to own physical copies of video games, music and movies. You also think that Nintendo's reason for unifying their home console and handheld development is to make people buy both devices when it's actually more about selling their software to owners of either device; this avoids a situation like GC/GBA and Wii U/3DS where the installed base is greatly lopsided in favor of one device, making it increasingly harder to justify development for the worse selling hardware. If people buy both devices, then Nintendo certainly won't complain. But Nintendo is not going to make ownership of more than one device a prerequisite in order to enjoy NX.

The benefits of digital are not a preference. Not needing to manually switch between media is not a subjective benefit. Having instant access to your entire library of games is not a subjective benefit. It doesn't matter if people who enjoy physical don't mind those drawbacks. Those are drawbacks, and they're ones that lie in direct contrast with the kind of seamless platform Nintendo is creating on NX.

Nintendo doesn't have only one reason for unifying their home and handheld consoles. Nothing companies like them do is that simple. The reason NX will be such a successful platform is because it will kill multiple birds with one stone. Unifying developement doesn't solve one problem - is solves multiple.

I don't think Nintendo is trying to force anyone to buy both, but it's absolutely without sound logic to think that Nintendo won't aggressively push and market synergy between the two systems when they are being built from the outset to have such synergey without even trying commonalities, meaning they absolutely do expect a significant amount of consumers to own both. That means that the experience of the people who own both platforms will take distinct priority over those who decide to own only one. Nintendo is not going to make ownership of more than one device a prerequisite to enjoy NX, you're right, but they are also not going to allow the ownership of more than one device to be a clunky and unpleasent experience.



NX and WiiU will use the same OS (run on ARM) for easy games port

NX is as well a console WiiU handhelp and use a separate case for connect it to the TV for have the second screen (by streaming). But this case is not just for display TV, this case is a small serveur whose contained CPU, HDD and a lot of RAM. It will be use for storing games or other Data ... it will give us massively multi-player games (up to 100 players simultaneously) and this serveur will be used for cloud computing ...

Nintendo will launch cloud computing community, which sell small servers connected together via internet will form an infrastructure capable of providing great computing power to all devices to connect to one of these servers ...

If you want more information on cloud computing, google is your friend ...

With this server, Nintendo will offer an online high quality while keeping the monthly subscription without ...
I think the serveur will sold alone for WiiU and futurs games use it, that is why we don't have any informations about wiiU games for 2016-2017 ...



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Akeos said:
NX and WiiU will use the same OS (run on ARM) for easy games port

NX is as well a console WiiU handhelp and use a separate case for connect it to the TV for have the second screen (by streaming). But this case is not just for display TV, this case is a small serveur whose contained CPU, HDD and a lot of RAM. It will be use for storing games or other Data ... it will give us massively multi-player games (up to 100 players simultaneously) and this serveur will be used for cloud computing ...

Nintendo will launch cloud computing community, which sell small servers connected together via internet will form an infrastructure capable of providing great computing power to all devices to connect to one of these servers ...

If you want more information on cloud computing, google is your friend ...

With this server, Nintendo will offer an online high quality while keeping the monthly subscription without ...
I think the serveur will sold alone for WiiU and futurs games use it, that is why we don't have any informations about wiiU games for 2016-2017 ...

 

Yeah I'm beginning to feel like a cloud network/service is one of the central pillars of the NX after that patent they filed. 

For people who are unwilling to buy any type of Nintendo hardware period, they will offer the cloud option to still allow them to play their games. 



Soundwave said:
Akeos said:
NX and WiiU will use the same OS (run on ARM) for easy games port

NX is as well a console WiiU handhelp and use a separate case for connect it to the TV for have the second screen (by streaming). But this case is not just for display TV, this case is a small serveur whose contained CPU, HDD and a lot of RAM. It will be use for storing games or other Data ... it will give us massively multi-player games (up to 100 players simultaneously) and this serveur will be used for cloud computing ...

Nintendo will launch cloud computing community, which sell small servers connected together via internet will form an infrastructure capable of providing great computing power to all devices to connect to one of these servers ...

If you want more information on cloud computing, google is your friend ...

With this server, Nintendo will offer an online high quality while keeping the monthly subscription without ...
I think the serveur will sold alone for WiiU and futurs games use it, that is why we don't have any informations about wiiU games for 2016-2017 ...

 

Yeah I'm beginning to feel like a cloud network/service is one of the central pillars of the NX after that patent they filed. 

For people who are unwilling to buy any type of Nintendo hardware period, they will offer the cloud option to still allow them to play their games. 

 

read my prévious post :) 

 





RolStoppable said:

It's better to let consumers decide for themselves if they'd rather have a physical or digital copy of their NX games. It's not a good idea to force people into something when the odds are nowhere close to being in your favor. And like I said before, "clunkiness" is something that fans of physical products gladly accept in exchange for owning a physical product, so they wouldn't hold that against NX. After all, they could make use of the option to go digital-only, if physical copies suddenly started to bother them.

The synergy thing is all theory, but when it comes to practical use, it will be very different. Take the Gamepad, for example. In theory, it was about creating a synergy between two screens, but in practical terms, it was hardly ever beneficial and that despite being packed in with the system. It's hard to imagine that owners of both NX devices will take priority when they are inevitably going to be the smallest group out of the three (home console only, handheld only, both). Additionally, consumers won't welcome the idea that they have to buy a lot of stuff in order to get the full experience; just look at how much "love" amiibo gets. The more investment Nintendo is going to make necessary to enjoy their video games, the higher the chance that they'll end up with only their diehard following.

But the odds are very stacked in their favor. Most people who prefer physical media will get over it. It's not this "they'll either buy physical or they won't buy your console" like people are making it out to be. Nintendo aren't going to lose out on tens of millions of consumors because they have to download Mario Kart 9. And when that game comes out that forces them to take the digital plunge, most people won't look back, because the technical experience of digital is objectively superior to physical.

It's not a theory. It's how Apple built an entire hardware-software-firmware empire. It's proven to work in practical terms already, and it propelled Apple from being a laughing stock to the most powerful tech company in recorded history. The gamepad was a victim of poor execution, not poor synergy, and even then, most games absolutely benefited from the second screen. The fact that they exist makes them a guaranteed priority.

Why would you bring up Amiibo when it goes against your point? Amiibo is extremely successful for that exact reason. Of course people will complain. People always complain. Often times for good reason. But it's successful anyway, meaning it will be pushed harder. Unlike Amiibo, NX consumers will not need to buy "a lot" of things to get the full experience. Just two systems. That might piss a few them off, but you know how many people are going to not buy the NX because of it? Well let's look at the amount of people not buying Amiibo or Amiibo supported games. Or games with bad DLC. Or games with microtransations. Or Fee-to-Pay mobile games. Exactly.

I 100% expect for there to be content exclusive to specific NX versions of games. They're already testing it out with Smash 4 and Hyrule Warriors, and it's been successful. They are already doing the kinds of stuff you think they won't try with the NX now, and they're being successful with it.



RolStoppable said:

This is going in circles.

The original point of contention was digital-only vs. physical plus digital, and we aren't going to agree on that, no matter how many related points get stacked on top of it.

Very true. Agree to disagree, then.



The main reason for digital only would be greed, ignoring that is ignoring the elephant in the room.

Digital only would mean Nintendo and their third parties make $10-$15 more per game sold since retailers are cut out of the equation and box/shipping costs are removed too.

That said I don't think Nintendo quite frankly has the balls to do this. They're too entwined with their retail partners, especially in Japan and there would be other downsides like a loss of retail space/visibility, every time you walk into a Toys R' Us or Wal-Mart game section it's a walking advertisement for Nintendo software/hardware. I don't think Nintendo will give that up easily.

In the *long long term* though I feel digital only is inevitable. Personally I don't really care that much one way or another, I just want to play the games.