this is so stupid.  Every console and every generation is different. Show me one console that dipped below 100k a week in the US that had a BD drive that neevr recovered, show me one console that sustained 100k a week that used motion sensing as its main control that never slowed down, show me one console with the most immersive online experience tha......well hopefully you get the point.

Analyze in relative terms, not X sold after X time, the N64 got off to a similar start in the states that the Wii did, does that mean the Wii is destined for N64 status compared to the PS?  No, they are different consoles at different times with different variables.  Its so assenine to compare console generations they are totally different products with different trends, different markets, different dollar values, different social impacts, different marketing, different consumers, different EVERYTHING.

You wanna talk in absolute sales the original Playstation sold liek hell for a long ass time, but it sold over 100 million worldwide.....oh, but that was sony first coming in right? So now people want to attach different variables when it doesnt help their absolute sales arguments.  What about the N64 gettingoff to a tremendous start only to fall on its face and bow out to sony? Sounds similar to the PS3 and Wii comparisons in absolute sales right? Oh, but no because now its 600$ vs 250$ and the 360 is here the market is different right.

 People only post sales correlation in absolute terms when it favors their choice, when the absolute terms dont line up with what they want to believe they throw in the logical variables but still cling to the absolute terms that benefit them.  Look to the future/current sales to base your opinions on because past consoles have NOTHING to do with current consoles, far too many different variables.

miketuck3r said: That Guy said: These are traditionally the slow months anyways. Nintendo and MS aren't pulling out their big guns for the spring, either. Holiday Season 2007 will be the decider for the future of the PS3 (And wii for that matter). I think Xbox360 could weather a mediocre holiday season if things don't go well (though i predict that Xbox should do just fine if not great). If PS3 sells really well this upcoming season, then the system will do just fine for the next 5 years. If it bombs, in that it doesn't sell through the roof, then Sony should hit the panic button. I think thats based on hope more than anything else.. I predict halo 3 alone will sell more than the total of PS3 games released this year and the 360 will outsell the PS3 by at least 3:1, thats before adding in forza2, shadowrun, bluedragon, lost oddysey, bioshock, too human, .... and mass effect, pgr4 A combination of the above plus GTA4 (with exclusive online content) could be a bif deciding factor..also expect a dollar by dollar matching of any price cut by sony by MS with the 360.. There seems to be a total apathy for ps3 worldwide, japan is worce than the US and that is its home territory

um, I don't understand the gist of that first part? What was based on hope more than anything else?

I was speaking in terms of worst case scenarios.  If Xbox360 sells 0 consoles and PS3 pwns and doubles its marketshare, MS would still have like a ~3-4 million unit lead in the race. that's what i meant when I said that MS could weather a mediocre holiday season.

But under just regular circumstances, MS should do just fine come the-day-after-thanksgiving

I can't believe they are making a new Shadowrun game. Personally I loved the old one for sega (although there were more than a few things which I hated about it). The problem was that Shadowrun was the only game that I had ever played that when I returned it then re rented it a month later my man was still there untouched... I assumed the game had flopped. So the idea that they are remaking it baffles me. Anyone know if they are gonna allow you to go into cyberspace in this one?

 Yeah, I did, it's called not buying it! That will give them the message that it's overpriced way quicker than some petition.

If Sony insists that it is only more games that will get them out of this hole as they are doing, rather than reducing the price, this gen is gonna be VERY hard work for them. 

It is remarkably difficult to give a fair comparison between a historical console and a modern console but it can be done. The first thing you must do is demonstrate how the consoles' market positions are similar, how the consoles' market positions are different, and why the similarities matter more than the differences.

Now, whether you want to accept it or not the PS3 can be adequately compared to the N64 and Saturn and the Wii is very difficult to compare to any system.

Yep... Now Sony can't blame the 'supply constrained' factor with these kind of sales! Or did Bush bomb their factories in the thought they where building a nuke?! I.e.g: This isn't good! That's for sure... And combined with the below 10k a week in Japan thing this is just the tip of the iceberg!... For May, everything is possible!

Wii 300+k / PS3: Possi below 65k / X360: +- 200k / PS2: 220k / NGC: 16k or something?!

Now, lets throw in some hardware estimates and historical numbers for comparison:

-Almost no system EVER dipped below the 100k in its Glorydays (which essentialy means, the days that the console is supported with a decent amount of games) Only exeption last gen: Gamecube.

-PS2 NEVER dipped below 100k. And only twice below 200k (But that number won't last for long... I guess)

-No Exclusive BIG system sellers coming out this year (Now to get something straight: Lair and Heavenly sword aren't going to sell as big as Halo, Pokémon, Mario, Metroid, SSB: Brawl... Then your just kidding yourself!... All of those PS3 games are new and can be compared qua reviewscore and graphics/gameplay with Motorstorm and resistance. Which we all know didn't sell nearle as good as games like Zelda TP or Gears of war! As such... Userbase will still be small when 08 begins and dev interest shifts... (You all know that story) So there is no big reason why PS3 would increase THAT MUCH in sales (ofcourse... Holidays will see rising sales for every system) But not NEARLY big enough to equal OR EVEN COME CLOSE to Wii or even X360...

And that's how the story goes... 07 PS3 is focked! For sure!

Quote Starcraft II: Hell it's about time!

everyone is overreacting on the sales of the ps3.... a year ago the 360 wasnt breaking any necks at all... once the 360 was in full stock last year the sales were comparible to the ps3 sales this year... and there were hardly no games for it... i had a 360 around that time so i would know ... hate all you want... the war doesnt start til this holiday season until then everybody shhhhh

Yeah dude whatever... If i recal correctly. The sales made in this periode of the year do also count for the total of the console wars... So you can call what you want but if i make a logic theorie. That means PS3 has a bad 2007...

You wanna talk about using a logical theory???? haha thats funny .. wheres the logic in saying that the ps3 has had a bad 2007 when 2007 isnt over yet??? I can see if you said its had a bad 2007 so far.. but you didnt... like i said people who dont know what they are talking about shhhhh ... people who just automatically slam another console shhhhh

The worst thing  for the 360 is that 2007 will probably be the best year it ever has... console sales wise