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ArtofAngels said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Soriku said:

Well, I think it would sell enough to make it a success. I mean, Z&W sales weren't all that great but that's a success for that type of game. Even Capcom said it was a success.


Zack and Wiki is not Breath of Fire.  Zack and Wiki is not even the same type of game as Breath of Fire.

If Zack and Wiki style games succeed on the Wii, Capcom will not make Breath of Fire for the Wii, it will make more Zack and Wiki style games.

Logic, is it really that hard to use?



Guys, Zack and Wiki was a success, lets cancel all our other projects, scrap MH3 for Wii and all other projects unlike Z&W, all we need to do is make Z&W type games, no other genre can be successful on the Wii... RE was an illusion.

If anyone’s logic is off, it's yours.


Way to troll my posts.  Come back when you have something intelligent to say.

NJ5 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
 

The problem is that in order to argue that line instead of the above, you have to believe that a Zack and Wiki game would have the same production cost as a Breath of Fire game. I'd like to believe that even Soriku wouldn't be silly enough to argue that.


Geez, you have either chosen the wrong nickname or you're just trolling here...

Stop thinking in absolute terms. His point is that the game's success isn't dependent on selling as much as some bigger franchises. It's very simple.

 


And my point is that you can't look at the likes of Z&W's sales and say that Breath of Fire would be a success.  

I can't fathom how people could seriously believe that the cost of porting old games (like RE4/Okami) and making point and click games (Z&W) would be anywhere near making a full blown RPG title like Breath of Fire.

Not only is the same level of sales Z&W received likely not even close to reflecting what the target profit/break even point sales for a Breath of Fire title, but without a solid history of RPG titles on the Wii to examine Capcom doesn't even know if an RPG title would sell well on the Wii.  If every RPG on the Wii sold 800k for example, Capcom could at least know where to aim their budget for a Breath of Fire game but they don't even know that.

In all likelihood, it's in Capcom's best interest to very carefully watch the success or failure of the upcoming ToS game as that will likely give them great insight into the Wii's RPG market potential.



Soriku said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
ArtofAngels said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Soriku said:

Well, I think it would sell enough to make it a success. I mean, Z&W sales weren't all that great but that's a success for that type of game. Even Capcom said it was a success.


Zack and Wiki is not Breath of Fire. Zack and Wiki is not even the same type of game as Breath of Fire.

If Zack and Wiki style games succeed on the Wii, Capcom will not make Breath of Fire for the Wii, it will make more Zack and Wiki style games.

Logic, is it really that hard to use?



Guys, Zack and Wiki was a success, lets cancel all our other projects, scrap MH3 for Wii and all other projects unlike Z&W, all we need to do is make Z&W type games, no other genre can be successful on the Wii... RE was an illusion.

If anyone’s logic is off, it's yours.


Way to troll my posts. Come back when you have something intelligent to say.

LOL. You know his post was true.


Soriku, you haven't made a solid comeback to a single point I've made in this thread.  You're not one to talk.



Soriku said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
NJ5 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
 

The problem is that in order to argue that line instead of the above, you have to believe that a Zack and Wiki game would have the same production cost as a Breath of Fire game. I'd like to believe that even Soriku wouldn't be silly enough to argue that.


Geez, you have either chosen the wrong nickname or you're just trolling here...

Stop thinking in absolute terms. His point is that the game's success isn't dependent on selling as much as some bigger franchises. It's very simple.

 


And my point is that you can't look at the likes of Z&W's sales and say that Breath of Fire would be a success.

I can't fathom how people could seriously believe that the cost of porting old games (like RE4/Okami) and making point and click games (Z&W) would be anywhere near making a full blown RPG title like Breath of Fire.

Not only is the same level of sales Z&W received likely not even close to reflecting what the target profit/break even point sales for a Breath of Fire title, but without a solid history of RPG titles on the Wii to examine Capcom doesn't even know if an RPG title would sell well on the Wii. If every RPG on the Wii sold 800k for example, Capcom could at least know where to aim their budget for a Breath of Fire game but they don't even know that.

In all likelihood, it's in Capcom's best interest to very carefully watch the success or failure of the upcoming ToS game as that will likely give them great insight into the Wii's RPG market potential.


Isn't that what taking risks are for? You can't make a game on a system without taking risks.

Anyway, I bet RPGs would sell better on the Wii than the PS3/360. Why put all your time and money on an HD game that is likely to flop rather than make a game on the Wii that'll probably sell well enough to be a success? I'm tired of this BS. If you're not going to take risks then you shouldn't be making games on any console. And none of the consoles besides the 360 have gotten a real test and then again third party RPGs on the 360 have been money sinks. At least LO has remotely been a success. But then again that has MS on its back. You don't know the situation on the HD consoles so take a risk on the Wii. Make it a GOOD game and not crap and then people will buy it.


 Final Fantasy XIII is going to be a multimillion seller and White Knight Chronicles and The Last Remant will probably sell well considering how much hype they are getting



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Soriku said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

And my point is that you can't look at the likes of Z&W's sales and say that Breath of Fire would be a success.

I can't fathom how people could seriously believe that the cost of porting old games (like RE4/Okami) and making point and click games (Z&W) would be anywhere near making a full blown RPG title like Breath of Fire.

Not only is the same level of sales Z&W received likely not even close to reflecting what the target profit/break even point sales for a Breath of Fire title, but without a solid history of RPG titles on the Wii to examine Capcom doesn't even know if an RPG title would sell well on the Wii. If every RPG on the Wii sold 800k for example, Capcom could at least know where to aim their budget for a Breath of Fire game but they don't even know that.

In all likelihood, it's in Capcom's best interest to very carefully watch the success or failure of the upcoming ToS game as that will likely give them great insight into the Wii's RPG market potential.


Isn't that what taking risks are for? You can't make a game on a system without taking risks.

Anyway, I bet RPGs would sell better on the Wii than the PS3/360. Why put all your time and money on an HD game that is likely to flop rather than make a game on the Wii that'll probably sell well enough to be a success? I'm tired of this BS. If you're not going to take risks then you shouldn't be making games on any console. And none of the consoles besides the 360 have gotten a real test and then again third party RPGs on the 360 have been money sinks. At least LO has remotely been a success. But then again that has MS on its back.


There's risk and there's "risk."  No, you're never going to completely go without risk, but you can do a lot to minimize it.  The key factor is that when porting older games and making low-budget games, Capcom minimizes its risk.  If it succeeds, Capcom makes tons of money for very little effort.  If it fails, Capcom loses very little money.

Developing a new RPG title for the Wii at this point goes against everything Capcom has done on the Wii so far especially with Monster Hunter III still in the works and its potential profit level still unknown. 

Capcom is not in the business of satisfying Wii gamers, it's in the business of making money and staying in business.  When their people do risk analysis of deciding what platform to put a game on and what budget to set for it, you can bet that they'll examine the market thoroughly before making those decisions.  At the moment there is very little data for them to examine but with ToS incoming that may change.

The Wii may have a great market for RPGs (in fact, I'd love more RPGs for the Wii), but there are no guarantees yet. There are a great many factors that influence where a game goes platform-wise so arguing Z&W's sales as a reason to chose a platform in this case is particularly foolish.



Final-Fan said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Final-Fan said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
How did I miss the point? He wants to use Z&W's sales as a ruler for a possible BoF's sales and I'm saying that it's illogical to use one genre's sales to predict another.

It's like saying that because Halo 3 sold so well that a Zack and Wiki style game would sell on the 360.
From the context it appears clear to me that he is responding to Riachu saying 'They won't because it won't sell as well as FF, etc.' by saying 'That doesn't mean that they can't sell enough to be successful and well worth the effort, just like Z&W was a success despite "low" sales.' In that case, that is completely different from saying that it would do well because the game would be like Zack & Wiki. So, you missed the point -- if, of course, I didn't misinterpret Soriku's post myself.

Soriku?  [Soriku sez:  "Yeah, you got my point right."]
The problem is that in order to argue that line instead of the above, you have to believe that a Zack and Wiki game would have the same production cost as a Breath of Fire game. I'd like to believe that even Soriku wouldn't be silly enough to argue that.
Only if you suppose the BoF game would sell only as many as Z&W, which is not at all the same thing as being a similar sort of success (i.e. making a nice profit despite decidedly non-blockbuster status).

[edit: Also -- and forgive me if I am misremembering -- Z&W cost $40 upon its release, correct? And a BoF game would probably cost $50, right? So that would make up some of the production cost difference, too.]

Words of Wisdom, I don't think any of your responses to others have completely addressed my post above. the closest you came IMO was:
Not only is the same level of sales Z&W received likely not even close to reflecting what the target profit/break even point sales for a Breath of Fire title, but without a solid history of RPG titles on the Wii to examine Capcom doesn't even know if an RPG title would sell well on the Wii. If every RPG on the Wii sold 800k for example, Capcom could at least know where to aim their budget for a Breath of Fire game but they don't even know that.

In all likelihood, it's in Capcom's best interest to very carefully watch the success or failure of the upcoming ToS game as that will likely give them great insight into the Wii's RPG market potential.


RPGs have always done well on (flocked to, actually) the dominant console. NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, Wii. In fact, BoF games followed this pattern (SNES, PS1, PS2). It is upon you to explain why you think that either this pattern will not hold true or why Capcom would be afraid this pattern would not be very likely to hold true.

More importantly, though, you were still taking the comparison to Zack & Wiki too literally -- no one, much less Soriku, has said "it will be a success because it can sell as much as Zack & Wiki" which is what you're arguing against.

And then there's
The Wii may have a great market for RPGs (in fact, I'd love more RPGs for the Wii), but there are no guarantees yet. There are a great many factors that influence where a game goes platform-wise so arguing Z&W's sales as a reason to chose a platform in this case is particularly foolish.

Someone has to be first. Capcom has shown that it is not afraid to go out and be the one to put the first X game on the Wii. Why should they suddenly be so timid with RPGs? It's not just Z&W. Soriku said, "And since all other Capcom games on the Wii are selling great, BoF VI would, too."



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