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Aeolus451 said:
zorg1000 said:
Aeolus451 said:

You're not at all. Just this " If nintendo doesn't have 3rd party support, just four 1st party games is horrible in a launch year or any year".   by itself is proof enough. It's like trying to explain what flying is like to a turtle.                                                      

 

My reading comprehension is fine, the problem is your lack of being able to express what you're trying to say. Even Rol agreed that the confusion is caused on your end, not mine.

Like I said previously, the original post I quoted never said launch year, it simply said launch hence why I started talking about day 1 titles, halfway through the conversation you started to say launch year. That can mean 1 of 2 things, either you failed to express what you meant from the beginning or you changed goalposts midway through the conversation. In either case, the blame falls on you.

 

Without reading comprehension, you will have a more difficult time understanding the written word. 

Based off of what I just wrote, am I saying that you have no reading comprehension? Yes or no?

 

No, but that is hardly relevant to what I said. I think I'm done with this conversation though, it really seems to be going nowhere at this point.



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Hiku said:
bigtakilla said:

Being Namco Bandai was polled I'd say that japanese development companies were there, as well as if Namco Bandai wasn't restricted by a NDA why would any other developer? 

Also, what have I posted that you find disrespectful?

Namco Bandai are still under NDA regarding Pokken Tournament. The information that has been disclosed so far has been limited to what Nintendo wants to share with the public, and at what time they wished to do so. Try to ask Harada what other characters they plan to add to the roster, and he won't tell you.
NDA doesn't mean you can't talk about anything at all. It means you can only talk about what has been agreed upon.
We weren't officially informed that a Pokken port was coming to WiiU, even though that was obviously part of the deal they made back in 2013.
Namco traditionally take at least a year to port over their fighting games to console.



But this is exactly why it's strange no one else polled that they were making games for NX at this time. They would be allowed to do so, especially if their games were multiplat. It would only benifit Nintendo to let people know they are getting Dragon Quest XI, or Final Fantasy XV, or Kingdom Hearts III. 

 





Hiku said:
bigtakilla said:

But this is exactly why it's strange no one else polled that they were making games for NX at this time. They would be allowed to do so, especially if their games were multiplat. It would only benifit Nintendo to let people know they are getting Dragon Quest XI, or Final Fantasy XV, or Kingdom Hearts III. 

Although there's usually no reason to deny that you're working on an unnamed project for a system. But in the case of upcoming new consoles, things tend to be more strict though. Letting people know you are developing games for an upcoming console, even if you don't reveal the name of the game, may inevitably give hints to the console's release date or other things, which the console developer would not want revealed until they feel the time is right. In such cases, it's just easier to tell them to not reveal any info about it at all, rather than accounting for each individual situation, and what they may or may not say in case someone decides to poll or interview them, etc. It's just simpler and safer to say "don't reveal anything until we say it's ok".
Developers revealing that they are working on an NX title in the poll is no different than Nintendo officially announcing that "There are "X" amount of games currently in development for the NX." But they have not made such an announcement yet, right?
I can imagine that the 1% who answered yes to working on an NX game may be ones who don't have a dev kit yet, and are not obliged to withold any information.

The recent rumor that appeared about Namco working on several NX titles, including launch titles, did not originate from Namco, but came from leaked sources. It sounds like it may be credible sources, so if it turns out to be true, it's worth noting that Nintendo and Namco have chosen to not speak of this as of yet. Becaure it's not always only beneficial to reveal these things as soon as possible for various reasons.
When Square announced they are considering the NX for their Q4 2016 title Dragon Quest XI, the fact that they said "consider" may be interprited in a few ways. Including the possibility of them not being sure of when the console will be released. If they had said that they are definitely going to release an NX port of the game, people would look at the Q4 2016 date, and draw the conclusion that NX will likely launch not too far from this date. Otherwise they would be more likely to port the next Dragon Quest game for it instead, etc.

But multiplats of titles already announced wouldn't really fall under the "waiting for the right time to reveal" situation. Also, the companies were simply asked if they were working on any NX projects, no names or release dates. This would again most likely not be a problem under a NDA. 

Bandai also polled yes which would again show Nintendo wouldn't have a problem. 

 





If it comes out this year, I will have to pray for Nintendo not to have made a costly mistake releasing a console mid generation and that they actually learned from the lessons of the past instead of talking like they did as we saw with the launches of the 3DS and Wii U.



burninmylight said:
bigtakilla said:
burninmylight said:
bigtakilla said:

What's your point again exactly? Lol.

That there are hints the NX may come out in 2016 (home console wise, I actually think the handheld will launch this year)? Sure, but I don't think it will. 

And if my evidence and reasoning make sense, it would seem there's more behind my reasoning than my "There is no way the NX is coming this year because it's an iron-clad law a console generation has to  be at least five years" mantra (which strangely enough is a mantra that doesn't even exist).



 

"Making someone sound like a rabid madman when that person hasn't made any personal attacks against you or shown any sign of losing control; this is essentially putting them down and/or flaming."

That was the point. The discussion was very civil, respectful and fascinating up until that point.

Then there are ways of letting him know than going off into your own disrespectful reply. In doing that you're only adding to the problem.



Sounds like you're a lot more offended and butthurt over that last paragraph in my reply than I ever was. All I did was say that Soundwave is provididing sources  and official quotes for his reasoning, while you are not. You said I'm not contributing anything to the debate, so here is  my contribution:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/01/ihs_technology_adds_to_speculation_of_an_nx_portable_release_in_2016

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you to show me something to believe the NX isn't coming in 2016 beyond "There is no way the NX is coming this year because it's an iron-clad law a console generation has to  be at least five years." If you can't or won't do that, then could you kindly get over my first post already? It's been like, three days and five posts. Let it go.

 

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Soundwaves proof isn't really proof though. It's much more personal opinion and spin. His ideas of a hanheld, micro console, and pro console are clear fantasy.





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Hiku said:
bigtakilla said:

But multiplats of titles already announced wouldn't really fall under the "waiting for the right time to reveal" situation. Also, the companies were simply asked if they were working on any NX projects, no names or release dates. This would again most likely not be a problem under a NDA. 

Bandai also polled yes which would again show Nintendo wouldn't have a problem. 

Well, I went over why even multiplats for already announced titles could be a problem for an upcoming console with no announced release date. I illustrated one example regarding Dragon Quest XI, and Square's choice of words there. They only said they are considering it. I have not heard of any developer openly admitting to working on anything for NX as of yet. Even though several obviously are.

Where did you see that Bandai answered yes to the question? In the article you linked, it didn't state that Namco polled yes. It just linked to another article pertaining to the subject of NX games in progress. That's what articles usually do for more views. They don't add a url link like we do here, but instead embed it in a sentence without going off topic.

Let me give you another example of how small leaks can lead to bigger ones.
What we heard recently about Namco working on several NX games, including launch titles, and a Smash game, it's not certain that all of this information was leaked at the same time. It could have been the result of more digging, after initially hearing that it's titles for NX. And after more digging, "Smash game" and "launch title" appeared as well. Release dates are usually not something that's focused on in these situations, but for an upcoming console, it becomes a subject of interest.

Personally, I know someone who works for Capcom, and visists their main headquarters in Osaka. It's never occured to me to ask for some inside info though. Partially because I don't even know what I'm looking for, and that it's not worth bothering her over. But if I heard that Capcom are working on a new PS5 game (yes 5, not 4), suddenly I'm a lot more interested, and may ask her to keep an eye or ear open the next time she's there and see what she may find out.
And if she finds something out, whether about the game or the upcoming console, I could leak that information.
Of course no one would believe me initially. But after it turns out to be true, along with other rumors I leak, my reputation as a credible source grows, similar to the one who leaked the Namco NX games info.
So that's one example of why you may want to keep even the smallest details under wraps.

If people hear that someone is working on an NX title, they're going to start pulling strings to get inside scoops. You don't neccesarily ask people to do you such favors unless you know for sure that there's something interesting to be found.

Fair enough, I personally don't think an NDA is the reason, but hey it can't really be proven either way right now.





Nintyfan90 said:
burninmylight said:
bigtakilla said:
burninmylight said:
bigtakilla said:

What's your point again exactly? Lol.

That there are hints the NX may come out in 2016 (home console wise, I actually think the handheld will launch this year)? Sure, but I don't think it will. 

And if my evidence and reasoning make sense, it would seem there's more behind my reasoning than my "There is no way the NX is coming this year because it's an iron-clad law a console generation has to  be at least five years" mantra (which strangely enough is a mantra that doesn't even exist).



 

"Making someone sound like a rabid madman when that person hasn't made any personal attacks against you or shown any sign of losing control; this is essentially putting them down and/or flaming."

That was the point. The discussion was very civil, respectful and fascinating up until that point.

Then there are ways of letting him know than going off into your own disrespectful reply. In doing that you're only adding to the problem.



Sounds like you're a lot more offended and butthurt over that last paragraph in my reply than I ever was. All I did was say that Soundwave is provididing sources  and official quotes for his reasoning, while you are not. You said I'm not contributing anything to the debate, so here is  my contribution:

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/01/ihs_technology_adds_to_speculation_of_an_nx_portable_release_in_2016

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you to show me something to believe the NX isn't coming in 2016 beyond "There is no way the NX is coming this year because it's an iron-clad law a console generation has to  be at least five years." If you can't or won't do that, then could you kindly get over my first post already? It's been like, three days and five posts. Let it go.

 

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lol by - burninmylight

Soundwaves proof isn't really proof though. It's much more personal opinion and spin. His ideas of a hanheld, micro console, and pro console are clear fantasy.



 

Everyone's NX concepts here are fantasy unless someone here is claiming to work at Nintendo R&D. 

A $199 portable 3DS-2 with a relatively crap processor + screen and a $299 console that's about a PS4 in power is also "fantasy", but most here think that's what Nintendo will do ... even though this is basically the same thing they did this generation to huge marketshare losses. 



NoirSon said:
If it comes out this year, I will have to pray for Nintendo not to have made a costly mistake releasing a console mid generation and that they actually learned from the lessons of the past instead of talking like they did as we saw with the launches of the 3DS and Wii U.

 

Neither the Wii U or 3DS were "mid-generation" releases though and both flopped. 

Technology did not stop Nintendo from making a comparable system to the PS4/XB1 either, 1 TFLOP processors tech was available then. They are the ones who banked on the Wii formula again of outdated hardware + casual mini-game centric library and thought that would carry them the next 5-6 years. It didn't. 

There's nothing wrong with launching a bit early, the Sega Genesis and Playstation 1 and Playstation 2 and XBox 360 are examples of systems that launched 1-2 years before their main competetion and were better off for doing so. 

People think Nintendo can't get access to powerful hardware ... they can. They made the SNES and N64 and GameCube. They purposely chose not to in the last couple of gens because of strategy of aiming for casuals ... which worked great for a while and then it didn't as it's a fairly unpredictable audience. 



Whatever they do, I'll just be curious to see how things go. Surely I won't buy any console this year, I haven't even time to play all the games in my PC backlog and for some I'll have to upgrade my PC before it's technically possible, but I'm curious anyway. I hope they release the portable first, because I fear that if they release their next home console too early they could hurt both themselves and the whole market seriously.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Whatever they do, I'll just be curious to see how things go. Surely I won't buy any console this year, I haven't even time to play all the games in my PC backlog and for some I'll have to upgrade my PC before it's technically possible, but I'm curious anyway. I hope they release the portable first, because I fear that if they release their next home console too early they could hurt both themselves and the whole market seriously.

 

There's no correlation between releasing a console "early" and damaging the industry or even your own singular market share. Sega Genesis, Playstation 1, Playstation 2, Xbox 360, Nintendo DS all launched "early" in some ways too and all were hugely successful. 

It just depends on how you execute. Nintendo could launch in 2018, 2019, 2020 and still bomb if the product is a poor one that doesn't appeal to a wide variety of people. Hell it could still fail if its released in those years and is genuinely a pretty good console. There are a million variables. There's no release date that means Nintendo is going to magically have success.