It's like Rol said just keep bringing out the usual IPs while throwing in new IPs like Splatoon and have deals like the Platinum Games deal, basically what they're doing now only differences is they need to focus just as much if not more attention to the blue ocean group.

This is one reason I think NX will have a shared library as the freed up resources could probably allow that with some restructuring, most core fans may not like the approach and the image that comes with it but we'd still get the games we like regardless.

That lack of confidence and speculation of being pushed tp next console began when they announced the delay, but you still defend it.

So then, isn't Nintendo still satisfying their fan base if they continue what they're doing, but with your proposal as well? What would be the problem then? o:

Like I said, Nintendogs+Animal Crossing+Mario Kart+Brain Age+NSMB all released within an 8-9 month span, the combination of all those titles in such a short amount of time caused a huge surge in causal interest. It costing $129, having a focused marketing campaign and releasing a very stylish revision in that time contributed a lot as well.

Nintendogs+Cats was the big casual launch game but what came after that? 3D Land+Mario Kart 7 were the next games that had any type of causal appeal but they released 8-9 months later then NSMB2 came out another 8 months after that. Late 2012/early 2013 had Style Savvy/Art Academy/Brain Age but that's almost a full 2 years after 3DS launch, too little too late. Being more expensive and people thinking it was simply a DS with a 3D screen didn't help either.

The same goes for Wii, it had Wii Sports at launch followed by WarioWare in January, Wii Play in February, Paper Mario in April, Mario Party in May & Big Brain Academy in June. The second half of the year had 3rd parties start to release a bunch of casual centric games like Carnival Games, Cooking Mama, Guitar Hero, Dance Dance Revolution, Game Party, Mario & Sonic Olympics. Nintendo followed that up in the first half of 2008 with Mario Kart & Wii Fit while 3rd parties continued to release new casual friendly games. A $250 price tag & strong marketing campaign also contributed.

Wii U launched with Nintendo Land+NSMBU, a solid casual friendly combo but what casual focused games released between holiday 2012 & holiday 2013? Game & Wario in June, that's it. The holiday 2013 lineup was decent with Wii Party U+3D World+Wii Fit U (digital only)+Wii Sports Club (just an HD port & digital only). We also saw Just Dance each holiday, but not much else from 3rd parties. Costing $50-100 more than Wii and people thinking it was simply a tablet accessory for Wii didn't help either.

So basically DS/Wii had a constant stream of casual friendly games, solid price points for what they offered, strong marketing campaigns, and sleek/stylish designs.

3DS/Wii U had constant droughts, high price points for what they offered, poor marketing and designs that caused people to think they were revisions/accessories for their predecessors.

Did mobile contribute to the decline? Absolutely but let's not act like Nintendo didn't cause a lot of their own problems.

I'm not defending it, TP's move to Wii was the start of the problem.

I mean you are defending the delay when in fact it was that (and being so quite) what caused all this mess.

Only if it was delayed for good reasons. Confidence for the game's delay justification would fall more on the development team than Nintendo in general.

Or if they delay a full year to release on the next system, like what happened with TP, it will be Nintendo's failure and not only the team.

 I'm always suprised by the nintendo fans that are really mad about Zelda not being out yet and hating the Wii U for it. It's going to be a great game, it sucks that it's late but there are a ton of great games to play on the wii u still, especially if you suppourt indie and e-shop titles. Maybe you're tired of Splatoon and you've beat Yoshi's wolly world and created all you want on Super mario maker,ok all possible but have you already powered through 120 plus hours on Xenoblade? Maybe, but then you probably need a combination of video game platforms then.

For all the crap Nintendo gets about not releasing this or that, what about the surprises? I didn't think another star fox game like this was coming out again, could be good. I never expected a Captain toad game, it is fantastic. I never expected a second Fire Emblem on the 3ds, I'm really excited for it.

 I was a much bigger fan of xbox and ps3 last gen than the wii, so far with this gen I have no regrets buying a  Wii u. When the Wii U is over It's top games vs the Wii's or Gamecube will be very close, and if it's good enough to have a discussion then it is just personal preference and Nintendo did a good job on its software releases. Maybe it's not as timely as you would like, but it made quality games and that's what you really want in the end.

I'm going to trust that Nintendo will bring high quality games, maybe not as many in a certain series as I want, or maybe not as quick as i want, but they will make them eventually. I would much rather that than taking something that you love and disgracing the name of it ( like how my brother was devastated by how terribly made tony hawk 5 is).

@Rol I dunno man. The difference with the TP situation and the Zelda U situation is multiple things.

For one, The Wii was more powerful than the GC (or even the original Xbox), but not ASTOUNDINGLY so, thus it was just a straight GC port, flipped, with slapped on motion controls. The game was otherwise no different, and did not have additional content, nor superior graphics, or anything else that made the Wii version THE version to own. The Wii version sold like it did by virtue of the fact that the Wii sold like it did, on the back of Wii Sports. The GC version still sold around 1.5 million copies itself, and likely would have sold around 4 or 5 mil easy, on GC, if it had remained GC exclusive.

But the point is, with Zelda U, the possibility that the NX is going to be significantly more powerful than Wii U, and thus the fact that at the very least, a Zelda U port to NX might very well have better graphics and thus be the "better version" of the game, at that point you might as well not even release Zelda U on Wii U at all. There would be no real point, because why would anyone want the inferior version? With TP, there was a very strong case to be made that original GC version WAS the superior version of the game, playing it how it meant to be played, non-mirrored, with a regular controller. That is a key difference.


Secondly, the Wii did not have any major titles lined up for the launch window outside of Wii Sports, and Nintendo had absolutely no way of knowing at the time that Wii Sports would blow up like it did. For all they knew, it could have been a dud, only selling because it was a pack-in. So they needed a "big" title for launch, seeing as the GC itself lacked one, so they forced TP over to Wii. It just so happened that Wii Sports blew up, and wound up overshadowing TP, but TP was still initially seen as THE launch title for Wii, releasing a month LATER (which was lame) on GC.

But NX is not going to have that problem. As I've pointed out in other threads, it's already got two "big guns" very likely to be ready for the launch, in the form of whatever the hell Retro is making, and the next main 3D Mario game. That alone is more than enough, and it's always possible (while I think it'll be a Wii U game) that Pikmin 4 will be an NX launch title as well. But, 3D Mario by itself is going to be a system seller. Especially if it takes a more ambitious route than, say, 3D World did. A new epic 3D Mario on more powerful hardware, is going to get people buzzing, that's going to make people want to buy the console. Mario games have ALWAYS been bigger system selling type of titles than Zelda, as popular as the Zelda franchise is. So not only does NX very likely not suffer from NEEDING a Zelda to be ported for launch, but it almost seems (conversely) to be pointless, as 3D Mario the next Retro game will likely be THE big games to get (along with other stuff like Dragon Quest XI etc.)


To MY thinking, as I've been saying all along, NX needs to not come out until 2017. And it needs to have a major 3D Mario game as it's launch window centerpiece. That has to happen. And with that said, Wii U also after 4 years still lacks what I think most people would consider it's "definitive" game. The game you point to and go "THAT is the Wii U". NES had SMB1, SNES had Super Mario World (or DKC), N64 had Mario 64 (or OoT), GC had Melee (or WW). Wii had Mario Galaxy (or Wii Sports). Wii U has........what? What it has are many GOOD games. But it does not have that ONE signature title. And I think Zelda U at least has the CHANCE to be that title. And Wii U, the console itself, deserves that. Longtime Wii U owners, who have been WAITING for such a signature game, deserve that. And NX simply does not in any meaningful way, NEED Zelda U to be ported to it. At all. Wii U NEEDS it as a last great hurrah, a beautiful swan song, FAR more. Wii U both needs and deserves to have a full 5 years on the market, and it should go out strong with a solid lineup of titles...which it's shaping up to have, especially IF Zelda U is permanently Wii U exclusive.

I'm sure you may disagree with me, but still....those are my thoughts on the subject.