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oniyide on 19 January 2016
midrange said:
JNK said:

So its pretty well known that third party support on nintendo consoles sucks. But why?

Is it the fault of third parties?

I donkt think so.

Lets look as an example at Ubisoft. They gave the Wii U at launch an exclusive aa-title (ZombiU) + Raymen was announanced as an exclusive title.

I doubt Nintendo paid anything for this. They didnt published the games, both games went multiplat later because of wii u´s poor sales.

But still, I cant remember an big western publisher like Ubisoft ever gave any exclusive title to xbox or playstation for...nothing? Sony and Microsoft both pay for their exclusive content. It seems like Ubisoft would had supported Nintendo for free.

 

So the relationship cant be that bad, right?

The reason Ubi helped, was because they heavily dissed the wii at the beginning (because of the gamecube's success), saw the success and made a HUGE amount of money on Just Dance and raving rabbids. 

After having hated on Nintendo, only to have Nintendo forgive them and make tons of money with them, they were the most supportive and decided to help Nintendo (2 launch exclusives) with nothing in return.

nintendo messed up by being complacent. They should have given Ubi more funding and publicity. Compared to the money that Sony and Microsoft pay, Nintendo wouldn't pay that much, and they would have received more support from a huge publisher

 

dissed the Wii? they had games on it from the jump. Red Steel comes to mind



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barneystinson69 on 19 January 2016

Well I'm hoping for the best with the NX, but I'm having doubts.



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sethnintendo on 19 January 2016
oniyide said:

ok...that didnt answer my question at all

You would wonder if they ever look at Capcom making so much money off Monster Hunter on the 3DS.  If they could release a decent title then perhaps it would sell.  SteamWorld, Gunman Clive, and a few others indies that made good games get great sales on eshop.  Indies have filled the void a little but not completely.  I'm still waiting on 90s Arcade Racer and Road Redemption if they ever come out on the Wii U.





bowserthedog on 19 January 2016

3 problems led to lack of 3rd party support.

 

1 - Difficult to develop for.  API's and such didn't make it super easy for dev's.

2 - Weaker than 360 cpu made it a challenge to get games to work which were cpu intensive. Overall Wiiu was more powerfull than last gen systems but it made extra work due to the cpu being less powerfull.

3 - The system didn't sell that well so there wasn't enough of a financial payoff for putting the effort into making games for it.



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bowserthedog on 19 January 2016
OneKartVita said:
It's obviously bad but the one positive is their own software sells more with less competition and they can keep the prices high.

Having 3Rd parties come in and steal their audience could be bad. For instance I believe yokai watch is damaging pokemon currently. It would be bad if all their big titles had competition.

So while there's a lot of negatives there's at least 1 positive.

 

I really doubt that Yokai Watch is damaging sales of Pokemon.  It's expanding the audience on 3ds with younger gamers who will graduate to pokemon when they are older.



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midrange on 19 January 2016
oniyide said:
midrange said:

The reason Ubi helped, was because they heavily dissed the wii at the beginning (because of the gamecube's success), saw the success and made a HUGE amount of money on Just Dance and raving rabbids. 

After having hated on Nintendo, only to have Nintendo forgive them and make tons of money with them, they were the most supportive and decided to help Nintendo (2 launch exclusives) with nothing in return.

nintendo messed up by being complacent. They should have given Ubi more funding and publicity. Compared to the money that Sony and Microsoft pay, Nintendo wouldn't pay that much, and they would have received more support from a huge publisher

 

dissed the Wii? they had games on it from the jump. Red Steel comes to mind

 

They didn't diss the wii, but their support was much limited (mostly because of their losses from gamecube). Comparing red steel to zombiu and Rayman legends, and you see that the wii u had better launch support



oniyide on 19 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:

ok...that didnt answer my question at all

I wasn't trying to answer the question you asked him, but what I said is relevant to what you're discussing. U asked when the last time a western 3rd party developer released a significant title for 3DS, I'm stating that I think with a unified concept the lack of western support is negated by the fact that Nintendo's ecosystem would be full of 100's of games not found on competitors devices making it a viable platform despite the lack of multiplatform releases.

the ecosystem is already like that and it aint helping them much (outside of 3ds) so even then thats not helping the lack of 3rd parties, whether we think they are important or not is irrelevant, COD, Fallout 3, Witcher, AC, GTA these series sell and there absence on Ninty systems speak volumes....but COD and AC didnt do great so maybe screw it all is better.





AlfredoTurkey on 19 January 2016

This has been a problem since the NES. The only reason that console had such great third party support was because there were no other options available at the time. When Genesis became a viable alternative, third parties started slowly favoring them and then when PS1 came out, it all started to snow ball.

Nintendo COULD have great relationships with third parties and retailers, but they have to bend a little and go get them. I think the problem has always been that they have certain barriers that the other companies don't.



oniyide on 19 January 2016
sethnintendo said:
oniyide said:

ok...that didnt answer my question at all

You would wonder if they ever look at Capcom making so much money off Monster Hunter on the 3DS.  If they could release a decent title then perhaps it would sell.  SteamWorld, Gunman Clive, and a few others indies that made good games get great sales on eshop.  Indies have filled the void a little but not completely.  I'm still waiting on 90s Arcade Racer and Road Redemption if they ever come out on the Wii U.

 

not everybody could make monster hunter, dont let the sales fool you that is still kind of a niche styly of game. There a bunch of wannabes and they dont sell anywhere close to MH, so why would a company waste time.



bigtakilla on 19 January 2016
oniyide said:
bigtakilla said:

 

There are so many titles missing from 3ds third party support it's crazy. Kingdom Hearts, Street Fighter, Dead Or Alive, Metal Gear (Snake Eater remake), Splinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Devil Survivor, Etrian Odyssey, Fifa, Madden, Pro Evolution Soccer, Samurai Warriors, Lego, honestly the list goes on and on. 

 

when was the last time a western 3rd party released anything of significance on 3ds? Launch? they dont even do the annual sports games on 3ds.

 

Maybe they should, games that were not seeing very much success actually got a second chance, such as Monster Hunter.

Besides, we're talking about 3rd party support not JUST western games, and the 3ds has had a ton.