Yet the 3ds has the better lineup for this year in my opinion. I'm not blind to the fact that both need replaced, but the lineups for this year for both is fine, and people just assume next year has nothing.

And you honestly for the most part won't really be disappointed.

of course not. nintendo has a proven track record of making the best games on the market. sure, there are a few hiccups here and there, but whatever. nintendo makes the best games in the industry, and there is nobody who is even a close second. 

I dunno, the lineups for both are pretty poor if you ask me. If Yokai Watch had taken off like Pokemon in the US/Europe ... yeah ok, maybe I could see it, but as is ... no way. 

Supporting the Wii U and 3DS isn't without pitfalls for Nintendo either. The more you support brands that are percieved to be flops or fading stars ... the more your own brand itself becomes infused with that same stink. 

I mentioned this in another thread, but Nintendo has to be wary of that too. The average consumer (not people on this board, just average consumers) ... the more they look at Nintendo and see the Wii U and 3DS ... the worse that is honestly in the long haul. 

Blackberry stuck to their guns and fought the good fight with the Blackberry OS and keyboard-centric phones ... they should be rewarded right? Wrong. They really they're known as a "loser brand" by most average consumers today. There's no medal or cookie in the free market for "trying hard". This isn't 8th grade basketball where everyone gets a ribbon for trying hard. Blackberry could tomorrow make the best smartphone ever with Android app support so it has all the apps and it probably would still flop, because once your brand becomes associated with "loser" products, that stink is very hard to shake. 

The longer this generation goes, honestly the worse it is for Nintendo. 

you act like it is complete doom and gloom for nintendo. nintendo is in no way comparable to the stupid ass blackberry people. the difference is that nintendo is ALWAYS going to be around. nintendo is ALWAYS going to make a profit off of every generation. and Nintendo is ALWAYS going to be responsible for the greatest games to come out every generation. just stop with "nintendo needs to do this or else .... and they will forever be irrelevant to the industry"

well they seem to be doing pretty alright for being as irrelevant as they are dont you think? sony couldnt survive as a company selling 12 mil consoles in 3 years, and microsoft would just axe the xbox brand altogether if it were them. and what does nintendo do? theyre profiting off of it. nobody will ever be as good at making money off of video games decade after decade after decade. its just not going to happen. hell, look at some of their software sales. there arent many games on the ps4, for example, that sold as much as mario kart 8, smash bros, splatoon, and mario 3d world.

so just stop. nintendo will be just fine. as always.

Well if it bothers you so much, then honestly maybe a video game forum about sales (as opposed to just one of the several dozen about gaming in general) isn't for you? 

We talk about sales which are tied to brand issues, and right now Nintendo is undeniably having some problems in this area hence discussion about it. 

This is a tough industry, that's just the reality of it. You think I'm harsh? The actual market is far harsher than me, I'm a teddy bear in comparison. I think the Wii U even with its flaws still deserves to sell 30-40 million units, the market is saying fuck no to that. 

lol you want to talk sales?

Sony:

1. The Last of Us: Remastered (PS4) - 4.12m

2. Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection (PS4) - 3.42m

3. Infamous Second Son (PS4) - 2.59m

4. Killzone: Shadow Fall (PS4) - 2.44m

5. Bloodborne (PS4) - 1.97m

6. Driveclub (PS4) - 1.85m

7. Uncharted: Golden Abyss (Vita) - 1.63m

8. LittleBigPlanet 3 (PS4) - 1.6m

9. Knack (PS4) - 1.55m

10. The Order: 1886 (PS4) - 1.55m

11. LittleBigPlanet Vita (Vita) - 1.37m

12. Until Dawn (PS4) - 1.33m

Nintendo:

1. Pokemon X/Y-13.52

2. Mario Kart 7-11.70

3. Super Mario 3D Land-10.60

4. Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire-9.86

5. New Super Mario Bros. 2-9.48

6. Animal Crossing: New Leaf-8.65

7. Super Smash Bros. for 3DS-7.09

8. Mario Kart 8-6.55

9. New Super Mario Bros. U-5.03

10. Tomodachi Life-4.81

11. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U-4.63

12. Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon-4.46

13. Nintendo Land-4.35

14. Super Mario 3D World-4.00

15. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D-3.95

16. Splatoon-3.93

17. Nintendogs+Cats-3.70

on nintendo's side i just listed games that sold over 3 million, because honestly, thats all you need to get the point here. i dont mean to pick on sony here, but i just needed someone to compare nintendo to and theyre always a good candidate. 

but anyway those, right up there ^ those are facts. so you can go ahead and interpret them however you will.

ill reiterate my point that i made in my previous reply because you dont seem to get it. nintendo is not going anywhere. thats the point. like i said, youre making it sound like if they dont do x, then they will fade away forever in irrelevancy. and as i stated before, if these numbers are nintendo when they're irrelevant, then sony and ms must be wondering wtf nintendo's secret is. 

First we dont know if NX will have BC, second if NX will have BC we dont know will you be able to play Wii U games with NX controller or you will need Wii U controller, same like GC games on Wii or Wii games on Wii U.

You can bet that resources required to port Zelda U for NX will paid out only on NX launch with Zelda U like launch title, not mentioned sales of game after launch. Nintendo will be stupid to not port their biggest project ever and like seems one of the best Zelda games on complete new platform and make it like launch title and just live it like Wii U exclusive. But Nintendo very likely will port Zelda U for NX and it will be launch title.

All I said is there are consquences to decisions. Each decision will have a consequence. 

This generation is prime example of that ... I doubt you in your wildest dreams thought Nintendo could go from 100 million Wiis to 15-17 million Wii Us LTD and 70 million-ish 3DS' from 150 million DS' so sure yeah "Nintendo will be OK no matter what" is kind of a cop out to avoid any discussion, we are debating the pros/cons of different hardware approaches as it relates to to Nintendo's future as a traditional hardware maker. 

Nintendo could make profits if they just shut down shop and made nothing but smartphone games, that's not really what the discussion is about. 

its not a cop out, it was a response to the attitude you seemed to have, and i wanted to make that point clear because it seems that people forget sometimes. but im more than happy to discuss the issue at hand. the wii u isnt going to get replaced this year because nintendo can still make some money off of it while satisfying their fans and anyone else who jumped on board with new content. that is what they should do and that is what they will do.